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Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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Until around 2020, I used a 2006-ish Thinkpad T42 for almost everything, including radio program production (warmest greetings to the author of Non DAW [1]!) and occasionally even live recording.

It's a 15" 4:3 model with IPS, Pentium M and my all-time favorite keyboard, so it's not easy to let go. Currently, it works, but the GPU is dying -- a pity, because I would still need that machine to work in WinXP and Avid Pro Tools about twice a year. I can stubbornly use it with Tiny Core Linux in framebuffer mode for lighter tasks and experimentation, though.

I bought that machine in around 2014 for 20€. Really fun to think about that, considering that I used it for years to do pretty much everything that another radio producer had to buy a shiny Macbook Pro for. :)

Probably because of grandparents' influence, I like using all kinds of gear until it stops working or seems irrepairable. I'm not a coder by profession, so my computational needs are really modest. Currently, I am making efforts to use a Dell Mini 9 as a daily driver in framebuffer mode. Interesting macine: 8.9" screen, Intel Atom, but fanless build, thus spookily quiet. Saw it in mint condition for about 20€ a few years ago, and, having recently been inspired by Joey Hess' endeavours [2, 3], I just couldn't resist. I added an anti-glare coating, and now it's actually a joy to use and carry along, especially considering that it is around the size of an A5 writing pad.

I guess I'm just one of those guys who likes to build himself a world where well-chosen tools could live forever. Not anti-progress, but old tools do have a lot of unused potential IMO. (What are the chisels, jack planes and scythes of computer hardware?) It is quite possible that climate warming will be a huge eye-opener for contemporary societies in this regard.

On the other hand: not quite sure, but I think it was Alan Kay who said that by using yesterday's technologies, you're also stuck to solving yesterday's problems. Even those can still be interesting, though.

1: https://non.tuxfamily.org/

2: Link from 2012: https://usesthis.com/interviews/joey.hess/

3: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/xmonad_layouts_for_netbooks/

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #119

Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

Seriously? You're such a hustler that you can't afford maybe 2 hours per month maintaining your house/car/electronics? You can't afford to be self reliant and self sufficient?

People used to write their own Haskell compilers, now they buy stagnant/slow computers as an upgrade.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I realize different context, but I'm curious how many other HNers do the same as me: I haven't had a fully new personal desktop computer since ~2001.

Since I originally built it, it's undergone dozens of upgrades: close to a half dozen motherboards, a few more CPUs, several GPUs, lots of RAM, drives, etc. I think 3 cases, and at least that many power supplies. But it was never all at one time. I definitely did a couple generational upgrades that were nearly everything, but stopped short. There's literally nothing left from the original build.

The parts were always then passed down to other uses: builds for other people, or a server in my basement.

This year, due to a failing motherboard, I did probably the biggest upgrade I've ever done at once; including AMD over to Intel, new case, SATA SSD to NVMe, but still but full: I kept the power supply (I hust bought it a couple months earlier, thinking it was the thing causing me trouble) and GPU (impossible to buy something reasonable).

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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I would have kept the same hardware forever too, but for some reason my tools seem to take more and more resources every year. Silly example is gmail, which loaded in 1s on my 2011 MacBook Pro when new, if it load it again today (I just tried) it takes 35 seconds before I can click anything. Another might be everyone’s favourite software to hate on: Teams. On my 2011 MacBook Pro: fans squealing, UI of the OS becomes…

>Gmail

I feel the early-00s PC I had at the time gmail came out would explode and kill everyone in the room with shrapnel if I tried opening gmail with it now, while remarkably, the 2005 (?) version had all the features I ever cared about

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#156

While this is an admirable perspective, keep things in context. Make sure you aren’t keeping a computer that takes a couple extra seconds on things you do 100s of times a day (eg opening browser tabs, compiling, etc). If you waste an extra 15 min a day on loading times because you have a 10y old PC, the wasted productive time can add up surprisingly quickly. At the very least, ensure you get those high-value upgrades…

Am I the only one who sees compiling, loading, etc time as an opportunity to think?

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#157

I realize different context, but I'm curious how many other HNers do the same as me: I haven't had a fully new personal desktop computer since ~2001. Since I originally built it, it's undergone dozens of upgrades: close to a half dozen motherboards, a few more CPUs, several GPUs, lots of RAM, drives, etc. I think 3 cases, and at least that many power supplies. But it was never all at one time. I definitely did a coup…

I haven't bought a new computer for myself since I started working full time in 2012. Since then e-waste computers with a new SSD have been fine for me. I don't even need to upgrade RAM since you can usually find a few identical e-waste computers at once and just fill up the slots on one.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #119

Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

Agreed, in that it's not a benefit to hobble yourself with bad tools that hold you back.

But... the worthwhile upgrade cycle has become ever longer. Back in the early 90s it always felt that last years CPU was unimaginably slow. But over the last decade and more, there's hardly a convincing reason to upgrade very often other than marketing or perhaps cutting-edge gaming (don't know much about gaming).

My primary server at home I built in 2010. It runs my zfs file server, many VMs for assorted things and all odds and ends to run the house. I've upgraded a few drives and added some RAM, but still the same hardware mostly. I get the urge to upgrade every now and then, but objectively I can't justify it. It works great and does everything it needs still fast enough.

My personal laptop is a Toshiba I bought also in 2010 but it was used, so I think it might be 2008 or 2009. Dual boot Linux (primary use) and Windows (for some exercise and astrophotography tools). Still runs perfectly fine, zero urge to ugprade it.

My desktop is my newest machine, a 2014 Mac Mini. No urge to upgrade either, it works perfectly.

And in comparison, my work 2020 MacBookPro is a far inferior machine. Fan runs constantly, always overheating. I'm glad that junk machine is not mine, just have to tolerate it for work. I'd feel sick if I'd bought it with my money, so I'm glad I keep my trusty 2014 Mac.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

#159
In my area, there is a fantastic set of used computer shops. Much of my hardware either comes from or goes to them. Much of my used tech also goes to friends at a discount price.

I can't take the credit for this one, but a friend of mine is still using the Squeezebox media boxes from 2006 and on. He's had three or four different houses and still uses the same players, even picking up the off used one from used shops and eBay.

Re: Tell HN: I used the same computer since 2007 (with minor upgrades)

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post #119

Give yourself extra life. Buy the best tools you can. Don't let virtues learned by necessity become the vices that suck up your lifetime. You'll never get the time back that you spend working on unimportant projects, sustaining old builds, placating unhappy people, working on slow computers, etc. Unless it's the fastest way for you to deliver whatever good you have to the world, put it aside, especially if you've inv…

Seriously? You're such a hustler that you can't afford maybe 2 hours per month maintaining your house/car/electronics? You can't afford to be self reliant and self sufficient? People used to write their own Haskell compilers, now they buy stagnant/slow computers as an upgrade.

You have a point, but I don't remember that time when people used to write their own Haskell compilers...
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