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Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by 0des »

chinathrow wrote: post #116
silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

> It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. And you're still using this car? Why exactly?

Clout, social signaling

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by yakz »

oh_sigh wrote: post #143
jjulius wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But that said, once you learn the quirks it is extremely predictable and robust. I feel like a self-driving vehicle is one of those areas where nobody should have to "learn the quirks".

But Autopilot is not really a self driving vehicle though - it's basically just lane keeping + adaptive cruise control. It will gladly blow through a stop sign or a red light, it can't change lanes, or make turns, or do any other completely normal driving things that one would expect from a self driving car.

Navigate-on-Autopilot, and some other features which are part of the FSD package that is already publicly available, absolutely will stop at stop signs and lights (although the process is often annoying and buggy), change lanes (sometimes into a trailer if it doesn’t see it quite right), and make turns (takes exits/ramps), although these are things that can be individually toggled on and off. They’re there, but the implementation is kinda buggy shitware.

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by brtkdotse »

silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

Autopilot sounds about as safe as driving while intoxicated, which makes Autopilot users massive egoists.

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by Retric »

jeroenhd wrote: post #134
silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

> It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. Honestly, it sounds to me like this technology should be made illegal until it's fixed. "Infrequently" isn't good enough, especially if it brakes as aggressively as you say. I want self driving to succeed, but Tesla's self-driving tech is just too immature to use on public roads.

This comes down to the actual risks. The real question is has it actually caused any accidents?

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by nathanaldensr »

chinathrow wrote: post #116
silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

> It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. And you're still using this car? Why exactly?

Average people are acceptable sacrifices on the altar of technology worship.

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by zardo »

silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

> If you have the minimum distance set to 2 or 3 car lengths

Does it use the same distance at all speeds?

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by absnetneg »

yupper32 wrote: post #128
silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

If it often brakes hard and late to the point that people think you're brake checking them, then you shouldn't be using it. They don't think you're brake checking them, you ARE brake checking them. Stop being dangerous on the road. This isn't a game.

It's not a brake check if the person in front of you is slowing down and your braking is to maintain safe distance. A brake check is braking for the purpose of affecting those behind you. It seems clear he means it is braking due to the slow down ahead.

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by notJim »

124816 wrote: post #54
notJim wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What behavior are you referring to? We are talking about autopilot, and possibly FSD, neither of which are engaged by default (obviously!) What do you mean they can't be turned off? > When this "feature" triggers you have a short window in which to do _something_ to tell the car that you are paying attention. Your options are either: accelerate or brake. If you do nothing the car may apply full brakes and bring you t…

> What behavior are you referring to? Automatic Emergency Braking. You cannot turn off AEB persistently. > I'm not aware of any feature that requires me to accelerate or brake to prevent the car from stopping itself Before the car emergency brakes, it will warn you via "Forward Collision Warning"; the screen will show the object it thinks you're about to hit in red. You can set this to "Late" to reduce false positive…

This article is about autopilot phantom braking, not AEB. I've never had AEB trigger, or heard of it triggering when it shouldn't, but maybe I'm unaware.

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by ec109685 »

Retric wrote: post #154
jeroenhd wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. Honestly, it sounds to me like this technology should be made illegal until it's fixed. "Infrequently" isn't good enough, especially if it brakes as aggressively as you say. I want self driving to succeed, but Tesla's self-driving tech is just too immature to use on public roads.

This comes down to the actual risks. The real question is has it actually caused any accidents?

And has it prevented any?

Re: Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse

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Post by plutonorm »

loceng wrote: post #145
silax wrote: post #113

2022 Model Y with FSD. I use Autopilot 50+ miles a day, and use it 98% of the way on trips from San Diego to SF. It infrequently phantom brakes, and more often brakes hard and late and sometimes people think I'm brake-checking them. It also is annoying slow to recover back to cruise speed from a slow down. Also if you're in the right lane when the two right lanes merge- it is totally unreliable, I've been sandwiched…

I'm surprised a debug button isn't already in existence? Maybe it's there if you're a beta tester?

it is there and that is why I question the veracity of the above post. All FSD drivers are part of the beta program and they all have report button.
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