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Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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It's interesting looking at the way they try sell this monitoring to the employees as being a positive thing[1]. At least the wider population can experience what it's like to live under DTEX[2]

[1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights

[2]: https://www.dtexsystems.com

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I wanted to say something very similar. The idea of having an organization that collectively represents my interests against things I oppose (like this) feels good. Unfortunately unions will not represent my interests in a huge swath of other areas (meritocracy, politics, etc). So choosing a union just trades one set of shitty things for another. For all but unskilled workers, the benefits are basically an illusi…

Another case where Americans seem more than willing to ignore the experiences of the rest of the world. Many workforces in Australia are highly unionised. Unions have been largely effective - even in recent years - at using their collective bargaining power for the good of the worker. Hell, our ruling political party is literally called the Labor party. It has strong union ties and a history of passing pro-worker leg…

Anyone who thinks differently than you is "falling for propaganda". Got it.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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I'm already not wanting to have personal conversations on teams. My tech savvy colleagues and the ones who can be convinced are on signal, where we talk about job offers and relationships. A few others do Instagram, and get to see my art photography. And occasionally I'll bump into someone when we're both in the office and be able to say whatever not looked over by AI. There's a real chilling effect on getting to kno…

Signal and WhatsApp aren't 100% trust worthy though. Why not pick something you can host yourself?

This is a pretty classic example of “what’s your threat model”.

WhatsApp/Signal may not be perfectly private, but it’s plenty private enough to hide trivial things like job offers from your employer.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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The only way this sort of thing changes is with labor organization ie unionization. The government won’t save you from efforts like this. The government represents the interests of the capital owning class. The demonization of unions is one of the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century. It’s gone so far s people who will die on the hill of Jeff Bezos paying slightly more taxes because everyone seems…

> The demonization of unions is over the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century Ever notice how unions are somehow all the same entity, and seem to have to answer for things completely different unions in completely different industries did? Nobody treats corporations this way, even though (if you look at interlocking BoD membership) there's a more reasonable case to be made for collusion in some ind…

> Nobody treats corporations this way...

Oh yes they do. "All corporations are evil exploitive money-grubbing polluting anti-democratic anti-worker..." I've seen it, here on HN, on the regular. I don't recall if I've seen it today, but I see it a lot.

> ... even though (if you look at interlocking BoD membership) there's a more reasonable case to be made for collusion in some industries...

The AFL-CIO looks (or at least looked) like the same thing, but for unions.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal and WhatsApp aren't 100% trust worthy though. Why not pick something you can host yourself?

This is a pretty classic example of “what’s your threat model”. WhatsApp/Signal may not be perfectly private, but it’s plenty private enough to hide trivial things like job offers from your employer.

Yeah, this is kind of how we got to the point where Microsoft tattles on you to your employer. Small concessions.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

#156

So, now we can't use Teams to have the "water-cooler" moments that supervisors claim we need, but really we are having them on Signal or IOS and they just can't measure that. Organizations really, really, really hate transparency.

Nah. People like to talk and not get fires for saying the wrong keyword.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

#157
MS Office Home > Admin > Exchange Admin Center > Mail Flow > Rules > Click the plus sign for New Rule > Create New Rule > Apply this rule if > Subject or Body includes > Specify a word or phrase

How good the AI is, depends on the flood of false positives the current system generates. If MS is true to form getting anything useful comes at great expense.

The #1 thing they search for is notably missing from the list.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Submitted title was "Office 365 implementing AI to detect employees colluding, leaving and more". That broke the site guidelines: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The proper place to include that sort of interpretation is by adding it in a comment in the thread. Then your interpretation is on a level playing…

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Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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I'm already not wanting to have personal conversations on teams. My tech savvy colleagues and the ones who can be convinced are on signal, where we talk about job offers and relationships. A few others do Instagram, and get to see my art photography. And occasionally I'll bump into someone when we're both in the office and be able to say whatever not looked over by AI. There's a real chilling effect on getting to kno…

Signal and WhatsApp aren't 100% trust worthy though. Why not pick something you can host yourself?

Right, I'm tired of this.

E2EE doesn't mean anything if you have the same entity controlling the server as is controlling the endpoints.

If you control both ends of an E2EE communication and they are closed then you gain nothing over normal TLS encryption, you still trust the authority. (Whatsapp is obviously closed and yes, signal can be considered effectively closed as their client is not reliably or reproducably built from public sources and has hidden their agendas before[0]; and even depends on binary blobs from Google..)

I know your favourite closed/walled messenger platform is basically religion at this point: but for heavens sake; please understand that unless you're auditing your clients or you can run trustable third-party clients; then end-to-end doesn't mean anything at all.

It's just marketing buzzwords.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M&t=880s

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Submitted title was "Office 365 implementing AI to detect employees colluding, leaving and more". That broke the site guidelines: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The proper place to include that sort of interpretation is by adding it in a comment in the thread. Then your interpretation is on a level playing…

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