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Re: Ceiling Air Purifier

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Very cool. Now what can we do about the eyesore factor? Does this affect the fans cooling performance? The air blows more straight down than diffuse I am assuming due to the shroud?

A bit of wood stained black or vintage brown-ish + octagonal metal grid sheeting would look pretty nice. Search term may be “metal lattice sheet”

Wood for the frame, metal grid sheet to cover the filters & still allow good airflow

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I mean if it works, but it's also the ugliest thing I've seen. It's up there with those plastic covers for furniture. A standalone air purifier in the corner would be less noticeable and ikea even makes a table with a hidden one: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/starkvind-table-with-air-purifi... Aesthetics matter. Now if you could somehow make the blades the filters, that would be badass.

Aesthetics only matter for the extremely insecure.

I for one would happily proclaim “my shitty looking box fan contraption that costs $100 outperforms your $700 dyson by a decent margin”

Why lick the boots of brand centric corporations. Maybe you’re one of those “lifestyle brand” people… I think that’s code for no originality or personality.

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If we're looking for a finished product, we're leaving a tool on the shelf -- filters aren't the only option. Pipe the air through a duct flooded with deadly UV-C and sterilize the air instead of just filtering it.

This also creates ozone though, which is detrimental to human health. Review here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11356-017-9239-3

AFAIK UVC doesn't create substantial amounts of ozone like other wavelengths of UV light.

Re: Ceiling Air Purifier

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Thanks for sharing some background on Molekule, I did not know about this.

That said though, the Molekule team themselves have said that their device is not optimized for filtering particulate matter, but rather for denaturing mold, viruses, and bacteria. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/molekule/comments/6u7d5y/putting_mo... This is reflected as well in the testing on Molekule's own website: https://molekule.cdn.prismic.io/molekule/4ec92005-d806-4991-... And, I will say that they have numerou…

Further reading here: https://molekule.science/air-quality-other-pollutants-beyond...

Re: Ceiling Air Purifier

#155
Great idea! I thinking about make something similar (with one very big prop) for computer cooling system, and also it could be beneficial to make computer case with purifier filter, why not.

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I mean if it works, but it's also the ugliest thing I've seen. It's up there with those plastic covers for furniture. A standalone air purifier in the corner would be less noticeable and ikea even makes a table with a hidden one: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/starkvind-table-with-air-purifi... Aesthetics matter. Now if you could somehow make the blades the filters, that would be badass.

Aesthetics only matter for the extremely insecure. I for one would happily proclaim “my shitty looking box fan contraption that costs $100 outperforms your $700 dyson by a decent margin” Why lick the boots of brand centric corporations. Maybe you’re one of those “lifestyle brand” people… I think that’s code for no originality or personality.

A box fan with a filter looks infinitely better than filters taped to the ceiling... I have a dyson air purifier because the sound profile is different and doesn't keep me up while I sleep. In the room with my 3d printer I have the jankiest air purifier I could find.

If you're ok with this contraption taped to your ceiling, while having guests over, more power to you. This of course would be totally fine if you lived in a state dealing with wild fire smoke I will say.

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That’s a great idea. What kind of filter do you use?

Standard furnace filters, pick the level of filtration you desire/can afford.

I use a furnace filter (3M brand 2200 (merv 13) or even 2800 (merv 14)), and I tape smaller merv 13 filters on the outbound vents in the bedrooms. Those latter ones clearly need changing every couple of months as they become quite dark. So clearly the furnace filter is not sufficient, at least in my case.

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That’s a great idea. What kind of filter do you use?

Is that enough for allergens, smoke, and pet dander? I don't care about virus filtration (which is not going to happen anyway, if it's something I'm making out of cardboard and duct-tape)

You would be hard pressed to find much difference between one of the diy jobs and a hospital grade system (although you might need to add a UV light) assuming you use the same filters. The reason is, it's not about having some perfect seal with dirty air going in one side and sterile air coming out the other. It's about recirculating the same air over and over through the filter catching a little bit more particulate matter each time.

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If you have a whole-home furnace you can often make it run the fan even if cool/heat is off - and install a high power filter and change it regularly and it’ll filter the air reasonably well. The ecobee has a “minimum fan time per hour” setting - it can also help to balance the air temperature.

My dad worked in AC his whole life. Do not put a constrictive filter on your ac. He even recommends the cheap ugly ones as they are the least restrictive. The AC is not meant to filter air. The only reason it has filters is to keep large particles out of the evaporator coils.

It "may" reduce efficiency, but as long as you don't restrict airflow too much, it seems unlikely to damage anything. It's not like restricted airflow puts stress on the AC blower. In fact, less airflow creates more of a vacuum and causes the fan to draw less energy.

The one thing it can do is cause your equipment to run longer (because of the lower efficiency) thus wearing things out quicker. But, most HVAC systems are not nearly as "fine tuned" to the size of your house as many might think. Most traditional HVAC systems basically have 2-3 speed settings for the fan depending on home size. There is a lot of play between those rough settings where a bit more filtration is not going to put it out of recommended ranges.

I have a very high Merv rating filter on mine plus a charcoal filter, but I change it out every 3 months or so.

Compared to the standard, cheap, barely there filters, the run time and energy usage difference is not enough to notice.

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I have a degree in electrical engineering, thank you for telling me to do my research, I spent four years doing that. Sure, some motors have characteristics that can be tweaked to run at different work loads either with PWM, or allowing them to pull more amps to drive higher loads. Hell, you can even overvolt them and make them actually work harder. That's not how HVACs work though. Have you ever opened one up and di…

Even a motor without a fancy control system will consume more power under load. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electromotive_force

Ya, and restricting airflow reduces load. It may not be intuitive, but you can plug a vacuum cleaner into a meter and put your hand over the tube to restrict airflow. The load on the fan will go down because less air means less friction. In other words, it's easier to run a fan inside a vacuum. The louder sound you get when you put your hand over a vacuum cleaner tube is the motor speeding up because it has less load.
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