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Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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The lab leak hypothesis is still well in the realm of possible. Not known but not impossible.

There's a big difference between "lab leak makes some sense given it was the same city and lab leaks are known to have spread respiratory viruses before" which is a reasonable starting point for an investigation and "clearly engineered".

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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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In the past it's been anything from acne medications to birth control and even anti-depressants. Depression isn't an unusual side-effect at all.

Acutane? I remember having a conversation with my doctor as a teenager about it, and even he wasn't sure about cause and effect. Does the medication cause depression? Or was the person already depressed due to having acne so bad it needed medical treatment? Either direction seems reasonable to me. That said, he was careful to who he handed it out to, and we decided against it.

yeah the big deal at the time was the 15 year old that tried to pull a mini 9/11, his mom sued the manufacturer of Acutane (later dropped) and it spooked a bunch of parents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tampa_Cessna_172_crash?wp...

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Do you mean co-depending from anonymous internet opinions and advice is a form of mental illness? I agree. Have to see the mistmach though you point out. I just see some scientifically based decissions, recomendations and solutions to really well studied problems, and also see lot of people making noise since the 70s about vax, chemtrails, MMS, Chakras, ivervectine, himalaian salt, bach flowers, ozone, and whatever l…

Aaaand I got downvoted by open minded negationists.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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I found the study „Association between vaccination status and reported incidence of post-acute COVID-19 symptoms in Israel“ (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268800v...) quite interesting.

See https://postimg.cc/HjjsR2SF for a overview of the results.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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> It turns out that Covid messes up your immune system and will reinfect you multiple times, so there will be no natural herd immunity. I have an incredibly hard time believing this. Either this is true for basically every other virus we've dealt with since time began or covid is so unique and so novel that it somehow managed to do what no virus has done in the millions and billions of years viruses have existed. Qui…

> hard time believing this What is it exactly that you do not believe? Reinfection potential? The flu does. Presumably to the layman, because of evolution. It is what you would you expect from biologic code selected to persist in time, to escape extinction.

You’ve not answered the question…

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

#157

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In the past it's been anything from acne medications to birth control and even anti-depressants. Depression isn't an unusual side-effect at all.

Acutane? I remember having a conversation with my doctor as a teenager about it, and even he wasn't sure about cause and effect. Does the medication cause depression? Or was the person already depressed due to having acne so bad it needed medical treatment? Either direction seems reasonable to me. That said, he was careful to who he handed it out to, and we decided against it.

Accutane can cause severe depression and suicidal thoughts, but not for everyone. It should definitely be a near-last resort when dealing with severe or cystic acne.

That being said, the before/after pictures that get posted in the accutane subreddit are mind blowing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Accutane/comments/hslnet/_/

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Your view of what happened in Sweden does not match the reality that their approach to COVID-19 caused excessive death and suffering: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5 Compared to the other nordic countries nextdoor to them Sweden had more death and worse outcomes overall.

you mean the neighboring countries that objectively had similar (or even lower) restrictions than sweden? The countries like norway, finland and denmark that got labeled as "strict lockdown" countries only because it was politically expendient? You mean those neighbors? https://i.imgur.com/bjWZS81.png https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index oh and here are some excess deaths you can compare across norway sw…

Your stringency argument falls flat on its face when the source for your argument skips the first 24 months of the pandemic. That same timeframe was when the variants were much more lethal, and the vaccine didn't exist for the first 12 months.

Your excess deaths chart shows Sweden's rising by 5,000 people from 2019 to 2020, while Norway and Denmark's fell.

This image (https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S01688510210022...) from this study (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885102...) is a direct refutation of your argument.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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You either believe the statistics, or you don't - but your anecdata is meaningless. The excess mortality figures tell you need to know.

I don't doubt the statistics. I simply don't think the statistics warrant the level of fear the media tells me I should be experiencing.

The media generally reported the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths and the pressure on hospitals pretty accurately.

I leave it to you as to whether you think 1 million deaths over 2 years in the US is something you should have been fearful of, or whether it is pretty trivial

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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> hard time believing this What is it exactly that you do not believe? Reinfection potential? The flu does. Presumably to the layman, because of evolution. It is what you would you expect from biologic code selected to persist in time, to escape extinction.

You’ve not answered the question…

Which question?
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