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I think the idea is "ensuring software is always up to date", so no pinning by default.
Until they drop support for your hardware... Then what happens?
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> Steve Ballmer ... was ridiculed because the outburst of energy ... It was much, much worse than that. Putting aside the crass yelling and dancing; also putting aside any rumor of cocaine abuse; putting aside how cultish it looks... Having a large crowd of adults yelling "dentists! dentists!" or be it lawyers, accountants, etc in a frenzy would be seen as very unprofessional. > But many of us appreciated the sentime…
I think you're attacking weakest points of his comment, tbf.
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Instead of ruining computing forever, you could just say no to your imaginary family of people incapable of learning. Boundaries!
You can really tell who lived through the era of 20 stacked, all-unwanted browser "toolbars" and Bonzi Buddy and such, and who didn't. That didn't go away because people learned . And it never would have.
No. Those people get newspapers and landlines.
I am not sure why there's so much negativity around Fuchsia. From a technical point of view it's finally a serious attempt to do something new in the OS space. It might not be the right and perfect answer, but it might introduce new paradigms and maybe some fork of the project might be able to provide additional benefits for end users down the road. I know that there are lots of hobby/research projects trying out new stuff, but i think Fuchsia stands out because it might be able to land the innovation and make it accessible for a larger user base.
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That is sort of the opposite of a capability. In fact, files are capabilities exactly because you can hand off a file descriptor and, by virtue of that handle, you grant access. File systems aren't actually capability based (generally, in practice) because you can 'ls' and 'cd ../'. Otherwise they could be. Dropbox Paper is a good example of a capability based system. Anyone with a URL can perform actions on a page,…
Are capabilities rotated periodically? Or how do you deal with leaked values?
(One process can request that the kernel transfer it to another process, which I guess you might be referring to? I'm not familiar with Fuchsia specifically here but generally speaking capability-based designs sometimes let you "revoke" a capability if that is something you need, though that's not really something you would need to do periodically.)
The Dropbox approach is sort of a fuzzy emulation of this, by necessity, because it's a public internet service.
The people who work on fuchsia are very good engineers - I’ve worked with many of them in person. But the project itself has always been a staff retention project. It only existed to keep said engineers from going to a competitor. I don’t know how any understanding of fuchsia is possible without this crucial fact
Unlike Linux, Fuchsia is not under GPL. Another attempt at making Android less open.
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You can really tell who lived through the era of 20 stacked, all-unwanted browser "toolbars" and Bonzi Buddy and such, and who didn't. That didn't go away because people learned . And it never would have.
You want to limit what current and future generations of people can do with their computers because of something a computer illiterate grandma may have done in the 90s? No. Those people get newspapers and landlines.
If they actually like any of the computers around them, it's probably the most locked-down ones: their phones and video game consoles.
[EDIT] That is, you're way off in thinking it's only a bunch of soon-to-be-dead grandmas who have trouble operating computers that don't prevent them from fucking things up too badly. The "digital native" generations are barely better.
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It's relevant because it reflects their priorities and how they view developers. The giant banners say this: although these are technical docs you may need to do your job, the most important thing you must see above all is an announcement of how morally pure we (think we) are. Once isn't enough. On our blog isn't enough. It must be the biggest and most eyecatching thing on literally every single page of our documenta…
> Steve Ballmer ... was ridiculed because the outburst of energy ... It was much, much worse than that. Putting aside the crass yelling and dancing; also putting aside any rumor of cocaine abuse; putting aside how cultish it looks... Having a large crowd of adults yelling "dentists! dentists!" or be it lawyers, accountants, etc in a frenzy would be seen as very unprofessional. > But many of us appreciated the sentime…
If the CEO of a large dental organization has the balls to go on stage and yell, "Hygienists! Hygienists! Hygienists!", it shows that he's willing to prostrate himself to show his commitment to the company he serves. People appreciate that. There are certainly enough CEOs ignoring the needs and desires of their employees sitting inside their ivory towers these days. We don't need more of them.
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Until they drop support for your hardware... Then what happens?
You have to chuck it in the bin and buy a new one, obviously. That's the state of the startphone world today, if you want to keep up on security updates
What's reasonable - 5 years of support? 10?
Disclaimer: I made some contributions to Fuchsia and I am clearly biased. I am not sure why there's so much negativity around Fuchsia. From a technical point of view it's finally a serious attempt to do something new in the OS space. It might not be the right and perfect answer, but it might introduce new paradigms and maybe some fork of the project might be able to provide additional benefits for end users down the…
Easy: this is not the future we want. We don’t trust google. We don’t want an OS designed to further their goal of total control and surveillance capitalism.