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Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by mschuster91 »

jpollock wrote: post #77
grishka wrote: post #73

And then people keep asking me why I have trust issues with wireless tech. A 3.5mm jack just works, with everything, every time, all the time, regardless of any outside factors.

Tell that to my linux desktop which keeps losing track of the 3.5mm jack audio output. I keep having to reset it and fiddle with it every reboot.

I take a guess that you are using an HDA based sound chip? If yes, have a look at [1]. Can't help you out more than that though, it's been years since I was forced to deal with that crap on Linux.

If it's any consolation... I recently came across an ASUS all-in-one PC where it was not enough to install the Realtek Windows HDA driver, no... that would have been too easy. You also needed to install a tiny extra driver that wasn't visible by default on their driver list in the Audio driver section. The entire audio world is utter, utter madness.

[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/notes....

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by smt88 »

kencausey wrote: post #132
smt88 wrote: post #124

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I don't understand what this means. I've used dozens of wired 3.5mm devices for decades and have never had an issue with a spring. I have headphones from the early 2000s that still work and only needed replacement ear-cup foam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#/media... The spring is that bent metal piece. As you push the plug in it initially pushes by the spring and then it catches in the narrow section of the plug to hold it in.

I can't find any evidence that this is common on 3.5mm jacks. If it is, it must be an incredibly reliable design, because I've never heard of a 3.5mm audio port breaking.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by regularfry »

exikyut wrote: post #21

So then install Android-x86 on your laptop. Use it for a bit, verify the mic fails. Call them up and tell them that you're performing a hardware compatibility evaluation to the same standard of due-diligence that would be used ahead-of-time in any competent enterprise-scale hardware accessory rollout - and that a prerequisite step in this process is to validate candidate accessories on Android in unusual environments…

Here's the thing: what does "it might work" result in? 'Cos I can't see a version of this that ends up with you having a pair of working Jabra 85 earbuds.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by mschuster91 »

donmcronald wrote: post #130
Godel_unicode wrote: post #70

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Powerline networking is a great example of where review sites totally fall down; it's amazing in most cases, providing great bandwidth and very low jitter and packet loss. Then for no reason*, it will absolutely suck for some people. The only way to find these kinds of problems is to survey every situation and test each product in all of them, which is clearly impossible. People will hear this and go, "aha! Crowd sou…

IIRC their tests were over a short, direct run of wire. I tested them using different lengths of runs, across circuits, and in different houses. The Wirecutter test setup was the most ideal environment possible. It was as if a manufacturer dictated the setup. To their credit, I think they updated their test setup to be more realistic. > Your wiring is to blame. That’s quite the assessment for the info given. Lol.

> The Wirecutter test setup was the most ideal environment possible. It was as if a manufacturer dictated the setup.

The thing with comparison tests is, you have to use a reliably reproduceable, documented testing environment. Everything else just ends up with nasty letters from lawyers complaining about the test being unfair or whatever.

Your uncle's shoddy 1960s-era farmhouse wiring may be the ultimate stress test for a powerline adapter in real life, but no way you can use that house as any basis for a comparison test looking like resembling science...

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by regularfry »

lupire wrote: post #46
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #26

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> So if you sell a bluetooth device, it is legally required to work properly with every other bluetooth device on earth? It actually is. If you use either the Bluetooth patents or trademarks (e.g. logos and names), not only you must pass a certification that ensures this, you must also "maintain a level of quality that meets or exceeds industry standards", and this evidently doesn't.

Does the Bluetooth trademark owner have a place to report violations of the spec? It's their brand to protect, not yours.

Consumers can pursue false advertising claims in addition to whatever goes on between the Bluetooth org and their licensees.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by luka-birsa »

I just want to stress that while Jabras statement sucks, you really should be reaching out to Apple.

Have the same issue on my MBP with Sennheiser Pxa550. With Monterey I actually had to install a plug-in for Chrome that keeps my volume at max during meet calls.

List of my issues: - audio doesn't work - audio doesn't switch from call mode to HiFi mode - if I have a call running, it will not switch or work via my headphones - audio balance switches to right headphone ....

I tried every recepie and thread I found online. Nothing.

Apple sucks.

Funny thing tho, I actually have a pair of Jabra 75t. And they seem more stable than Pxa550.

Again - direct hate towards Apple. I'm guessing all works with Apple headphones, as they sprinkle that secret sauce in their drivers that nobody else has access to.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by noasaservice »

mleonhard wrote: post #134
newsclues wrote: post #114

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Violence and crime are unacceptable strategies for citizens of democracies. Please delete your comment.

In my experience, when people have no other methods to become whole (when wrong was done against them), they *will* lash out in ways you might disapprove of.

If anything, advocacy of violence shows just how far down our societal belief that we wouldn't be wronged, is nearly gone.

I'm for limited violence when all other methods have been exhausted. But then we have to decide exactly what "violence" is.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by grishka »

zdragnar wrote: post #139
someweirdperson wrote: post #135

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>regardless of any outside factors There is at least one relevant "outside" factor. While the connector is standardized, the housing end of the plug does not seem to be. As soon as a phone is in a case, the case's hole for the 3.5mm connector is too small to accept the housing of a normal 3.5mm plug. That's true even for the shell the active3 tab comes with, not only some cheap after-market. It still works with the c…

If you have a drill and a small bit, you can open up the external case's hole quite easily. It's an unfortunate task compared to the more universally sized options, but the trade-off is there if you want.

It indeed is something easily fixable. The one thing I dislike about wireless communication is that, besides relying on software that (hopefully correctly) implements scarily complex specifications, it uses invisible radio waves. For wired connections, you can see and touch the thing that connects your two devices. Thus they're much easier to troubleshoot.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by bayindirh »

luka-birsa wrote: post #156

I just want to stress that while Jabras statement sucks, you really should be reaching out to Apple. Have the same issue on my MBP with Sennheiser Pxa550. With Monterey I actually had to install a plug-in for Chrome that keeps my volume at max during meet calls. List of my issues: - audio doesn't work - audio doesn't switch from call mode to HiFi mode - if I have a call running, it will not switch or work via my head…

I think computer BT announces many more features, and they weed out problematic BT implementations much better.

I'm running an old Philips SHB3075 with my MacBook Air M1, and it has no problems whatsoever. The connection takes a bit longer compared to my iPhone, but I think it's negotiating a lot of things over the air during that connection.

I've attended half day long meetings, and join 2 meetings on average over zoom and Skype. Nothing shifts, nothing drops.

So, BT is a complicated protocol with a lot of baggage and layers, and proper debugging is much better than finger pointing.

Jabra can update the firmware on the device, but they're lazy or there's something wrong with hardware. I own a 45 (previously called Stealth), and the family got 5-6 software updates over the years.

Re: Jabra denies support for Elite 85t Bluetooth earbuds on computers

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Post by jdavis703 »

I don’t trust Bluetooth for video conferencing. Having everything hard-wired is much more reliable. It’s why work from home video conferences are janky in a way that in-office VCs weren’t. If you can get a dedicated microphone or webcam and combine it with wired headphones or speakers.
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