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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by efitz » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

okareaman wrote: post #115

efleeus wrote: post #94

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Bingo! I got called transphobic

"Transphobic" means "you failed to accept all my premises as axiomatic and then follow up by agreeing with me".

It's not just trans* activists. *phobic activists have effectively changed definitions such that meaningful debate is no longer possible. No matter what points you try to raise, you get labeled "*phobe" if you express any reservations.

This is a very poor strategy in the long term. In the short term, it suppresses vocal dissent because no one wants to be called names. However, in the longer term the "*phobe" term loses its sting as people realize it's just a way to end an debate without actually debating, so the accuser loses credibility. Activists get more shrill as their tactic's effectiveness wanes, and more people are driven away because who wants to associate with perpetually shrill people? It's an exercise in self-marginalization.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by robonerd » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

mgh2 wrote: post #124

andrei_says_ wrote: post #71

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Some examples? And could you please define “woke propaganda”? Asking because the term is used to mischaracterize a broad range of views by, ironically, large scale propaganda / fear mongering outlets.

Snowpiercer (series): Gave up after the main plot focused on maintaining a lie, not discovering a truth (conventional screenwriting). Other examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/pwp3t4/im_tired_of... Eventually got tired of Netflix's money cow strategy by sacrificing quality - buying original ideas and ruining them with more seasons for the sake of engagement: Designated Survivor, Money Heist, etc. Pigg…

> Snowpiercer: Gave up after the main plot focused on maintaining a lie, not discovering a truth (conventional screenwriting).

What do you mean by this? The "geo-engineering backfired and made the world too cold" setting of the story? I found the movie schlocky and ham-fisted, but generally entertaining in a dumb-movie sort of way. I'm not sure what you mean by maintaining a lie and discovering truth.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by flavius29663 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #92

okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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I never understood the violence argument.

There are 1 million transgender people in the US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/

There are 44 murders against them in 2021, which apparently was the worse year ever. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra...

This is a murder rate of 44/1mil, or 4.4/100k.

The general population murder rate is 6.9 in 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-murder-rate-violence-big-citie...

I can understand that trans people murders might be under-reported, but on the other hand, trans people do tend to get into more risky behavior than the general population (the general population includes retirees, children etc.)

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

robonerd wrote: post #31

paulcole wrote: post #16

> We let viewers decide what’s appropriate for them, versus having Netflix censor specific artists or voices This is a funny take on it. Of course Netflix censors specific artists and voices by choosing to just not produce their content.

What they mean is they want the selection of content to be done by the people specifically hired and empowered to select content, using the official channels created specifically for this selection process. What they don't want is mobs of workers lower on the totem pole trying to impose their will on management through walkouts/etc.

I broadly agree that some people, mostly on more extreme ends of the political spectrum, are trying to censor views they disagree with in a way that is potentially dangerous for a free society.

However, I strongly believe that every employee of a company (and every shareholder) carries a small amount of the moral culpability for their company's actions. To purposefully choose an extreme example, would you be willing to help develop spyware for Russia to hack into phones and surreptitiously monitor communications, if your company asked you to do it?

One of the most fundamental problems in society right now is that we've decided corporations should be exempt from any kind of ethical standards. A corporation's responsibility is to make as much money as possible, we say. If it makes money, we can't expect them to do anything else.

Corporations, of course, are imaginary constructs which cannot truly be responsible for anything. Luckily, they are staffed by people, who should have just as much of a moral compass as any other human being. Your moral compass should not evaporate the moment you walk through the company door.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by monkey_monkey » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

flavius29663 wrote: post #153

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I never understood the violence argument. There are 1 million transgender people in the US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/ There are 44 murders against them in 2021, which apparently was the worse year ever. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... This is a murder rate of 44/1mil, or 4.4/100k. The general population murder rate is 6.9 in 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/us/us…

> trans people do tend to get into more risky behavior

What risky behaviour are you referring to?

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by thomasfedb » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

chmod600 wrote: post #130

thomasfedb wrote: post #119

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The main point being raised by trans activists is "please let us live our lives and not be horrible to us". There's really not a whole lot more to it than that. So if somebody's "pushing back" on that, I think it's pretty fair to call them transphobic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

If you're accusing me, be good enough to be specific.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by shephardjhon » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

aeturnum wrote: post #125

okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

> I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. You say you're part of several vulnerable populations, but you don't ask the world to "accommodate" you - but the complains trans people have about Chappelle are not about 'making their lives easier.' Where transphobia (or any prejudicial viewpoint) comes into play is refusing to take vulnerable populations' viewpoints seriously. When trans people poin…

I agree with your points but his particular joke was about transphobia vs racism. That trans and gay people can turn on their white privilage in a second to attack black people, including using cops to attack black people, knowing cops are trained to fear black people and use excessive force against them.

Of course he isnt taking into account people who are both black and trans but in only this one case, you need to actually understand the joke first.

All that said, Netflix is also wrong because as employees of Netflix the people will be linked to this content weather they like it or not and it doesnt matter what content you are talking about weather its The Bodyguard(Islamophobic), Dave Chapelle(Transphobia), Squid Game(anti capatilist or anti communist depending on whi you ask) or probably the worst, Cuties(GOP and Qanon has diluted this word, but pedophilia). If you are an employee and this is original content, your name is forever linked to it and so you should be able to have a say in it. If it was purchased content, maybe you could say you weren't involved.

Overall this is a complex issue with multiple layers and I say this all as a hardcore leftist.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #97

perihelions wrote: post #75

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We've had recovering-alcoholic presidents (USA), but it'd be very difficult to see a trans president anytime soon. The intensity of ostracization is not at the same level. (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Alcohol_abuse )

> it'd be very difficult to see a trans president anytime soon. People would have said the same thing about the likelihood of having a gay president 15-20 years ago. Instead, we had an openly gay and married presidential candidate, Pete Buttigieg, do quite well in the last election with his homosexuality not being a major point of the conversation. The amount of progress on gay rights and the public's perspective on…

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by Jiro » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

ambrozk wrote: post #46

joemazerino wrote: post #4

I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

Sidebar, but the "Cuties debacle" is nothing more than a moral panic. Cuties is a great movie about an immigrant kid struggling to cope with a broken home by escaping her parents and becoming a "normal French girl." She doesn't know how to fit in so she tries to gain acceptance with her non-immigrant school-friends by hyper-sexualizing herself. The story a searing criticism of the sexualization of children, not a cel…

It's really hard to tell the difference between "intended to disgust the viewer" and "intended to tittilate the viewer with a fetish I don't share". I mean, any scene of sexualizing children is going to disgust me. How am I supposed to know which ones are meant that way?

(Also, consider the existence of exploitation films, which loudly proclaim how bad X is in order to have an excuse to show X to people who like seeing X.)

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by jchw » Sat, May 14, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

thomasfedb wrote: post #143

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Given that you've clearly decided that trans activists have "delusions" I'm not sure there's much hope, however... - What changes to your language are they demanding? If you mean they ask you to refer to them in a particular way, then this is not an uncommon thing. People often ask to be referred to in a particular way. For example, most people don't like being called "fruitloop". - If what you mean by "anti-scientif…

Hopefully it was accidental and not a sleight of hand, but I hope you realize you pivoted a statement about the trans activists being pushed back against (that they are “deluded”) to being about trans people as a whole. I feel like this kind of pivot happens so often in bad faith that people now do it subconsciously and not even necessarily in bad faith but simply out of habit.

Similarly, (but not necessarily in the exact same vein,) there is an overarching sentiment that all trans people agree with the broader LGBT community, but it’s definitely not true.