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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by thaumasiotes »

stavros wrote: post #144
DrSiemer wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll still want your phone number and carrying a second phone just for those moments is a bit of a hassle. I'd be interested in a dual sim phone that had an instant "private mode" user account switch to the second sim. But even that would be a pita and it would severely limit the choice of hardware as well.

Why do you need to have the phone, beyond the initial registration?

If you just register an account and use it forever, how is that different from "having an active Facebook account"?

Initial registration would happen every time you want to do anything. (And you'd need a new phone... every time...)

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by dspillett »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

> I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer.

The fact that Wix and Squarespace have been advertising hard for a time, is a sign that they see the market approaching saturation, or shrinking, or both, and they are fighting the market (trying to drum up more interest) and each other (to get the bigger share of what is left).

> WP, … Who-tf is the target market?

People who don't like (or have available) an industry specific preferred solution nor the time to DIY, who have not yet hit the point of realising that growing with WP can be as time consuming as DIY.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by bambax »

mbesto wrote: post #101
goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

> I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Instagram for his portfolio and Whatsapp for communication. As I'm old and curmudgeonly I wanted an email address, and when I got it, it's the one that came free with his phone. And work in anything international and this is essentially it. Want to find a smoothie shop in a beach town in Mexico? Instagram/FB + WhatsApp...thats it.

I use Google Maps for this and it still works very well...?

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by dgb23 »

CSSer wrote: post #17

I'm interested to hear from other people who are bearish on Wordpress' future. Where are you headed? We agree with many of the points the author raised, as well as some additional pain points regarding general maintenance and design decisions (too many ways to do the same thing). Decoupled, static content generators seem to be the direction the industry is heading, but so far we've had trouble finding a content model…

For devs:

- a good „MVC“ framework (Laravel, Rails, Django, Redwood) or a set of frontend focused libs and frameworks like Next+Prisma

- a css toolbox with predefined, common components, or a atmoic framework or something like scss, even plain css is expressive enough now.

- a cheap hosting option plus some minimal, light „devops“ automation.

Is all you need.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by gwd »

albatrosstrophy wrote: post #91
dpcan wrote: post #12

We can make assumptions all day but for me, the worst thing about WordPress is EASILY Plugin Hell. I can update all plugins this morning and they all want updates by the end of the day. And then when they break it’s a disaster. WordPress itself needs to take a chill pill too. Leave a version out for a year or more, and only small security patches. In the last year, I think we’ve seen block widgets, JQuery migrate nig…

I host a hobby website and use WordPress for everything. Even as an entry level user, I agree the amount of plugins are ridiculous. But it's free and I only pay for hosting. Anyone knows what are the alternatives for someone like me?

I've been looking at replacing my project's website with Hugo (https://gohugo.io). Rather than generating a web page dynamically every time someone comes to your site, you generate the entire website statically whenever you change something. That means hosting can be entirely a "dumb" web server (or a "dumb" web server + apis which feed info to javascript, if you really need it). It also means:

* you can keep everything in version control to roll things back

* content can be fed to it programmatically

* project members can send pull request to post content, rather than requiring a special account

I've only gone through some examples from a book so far, but it looks pretty powerful, and is has good recommendations from others in the community.

I don't (yet) have a personal web presence, but if I do, it will definitely be something like Hugo.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by johnchristopher »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #88
kappuchino wrote: post #8

Do you have the same impression: Each and every plugin/extension has a commercial pro version that keeps on nagging to buy its extended warrenty ... sorry, no, to subscribe to updates for just 29.99 each, right? So 29.99 for instagram connections, 39.99 for backups pro (i'm making names and prices up, but you know the drill.) and for just 20 dollars more a security/virus check for ... what?!?! are you f**king kidding…

Honestly, those prices you mentioned are peanuts for a business customer. We'll pay something like US$30k/year in eBay fees (including paid promotions) for a relatively small home-based operation. We're moving to a warehouse soon, so that might be another $20k/year in rent. $30/year to solve a real problem our business has is a steal compared to this!

The fact you are being downvoted for saying this tells me more about the kind of people criticizing WordPress because of Gutenberg/update_cycles/but_what_about_bad_plugins/i_am_the_only_one_who_knows_hwo_to_write_good_wordpress_code_and_everyone_else_suck_at_this_but_me in this thread.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by dgb23 »

andybak wrote: post #13
justinator wrote: post #4

Chances I will ever use Squarespace or Wix: 0%.

Well I guess chances I will ever use Squarespace, Wix or Wordpress: ~0%. But I'm not sure what that adds to the conversation without some background context on our requirements, use-cases or constraints?

There’s literally a market for extracting data from those platforms so people can move to more flexible solutions that they can control and extend.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by aliswe »

agumonkey wrote: post #129
siquick wrote: post #9

The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

I wonder how the code looks like. Back in pre PHP5 days, it was surprisingly painful to read their docs (globals and side effects) and plugins source was just shocking. Angry 17yo levels of dirt loc (and that's insulting to 17yo)

the source code is the worst part of it all.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by htkibar »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

In short - web is increasingly centralised, to the point it is not "personal websites etc." but "facebook / instagram / whatsapp".

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by omnimus »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

WP is just very famous so clients often require it and know it. I don't think it has ever been choice developers would go for if they didn't have to.

But other newer crop of CMSes - Craft, Ghost, Kirby, Twill, October, Grav... they don't have the legacy baggage and are just so much better for fully custom made sites. You basically get light web framework with super customisable admin.

On the other hand for the "quick marketing site builder" - WP is getting eaten by Webflow and also Wix and their new new builder.

Last nail to the coffin is that WP has become big target of hackers and its just hustle to keep it going compared to most other self hosted solutions.

I don't think its websites going away so much as it's WP loosing to alternatives.

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