Skimmed the article, what is that number like in other years?
Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#152The survey sample was 200 RNs in the USA.
And for just one year with no information on what they would have said in other years.
"I plan on quitting my job if I had money" wow stop the presses.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Travel nurses are compensated quite a bit more in my understanding. And the travel aspect means they can leave the more toxic locations more easily.
They're paid a shit ton more. And because of that, more nurses are quitting to do the travel thing, which worsens the shortage and increases demand for travel nurses ;-) never seen an industry fuck itself over so bad. That's really the issue - healthcare has become an industry, not a profession.
It's really amazing to see travel nurses come back to work at a place they just left. They are now doing the same job as before, are getting paid almost twice as much with better schedules and are working next to people that they know and are friends with.
It's honestly surprising that more haven't taken the jump and is really shocking that hospitals aren't doing more to retain critical staff.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#154I work in healthcare but not as a nurse. I'm in a somewhat obscure field that became pretty important during the pandemic (infection control). No one outside the hospital knew we existed before the pandemic. Then the pandemic hit, conspiracies' started to float around and we had to take our contact list off the public website as colleagues were receiving death threats.
I can't even imagine what nurses have gone through being front line staff interacting with patients (and their families) all day. We need a zero-tolerance policy for families that verbally abuse front line staff, but instead they are often let off due to "stress of a family member in hospital" or the need for "family centered care".
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#155A family member just quit her nursing job because she refused to learn yet another system. She was great with patients but could not stand the computer systems she had to use.
I feel like quitting receiving healthcare when a provider switches their records systems or adds a new one and I have to input all the same shit yet again (what the fuck is even the point of digital medical records? They can't keep even the most basic info straight anyway!), so I can only imagine what that's like for the people who have to work with it daily.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#156It would be interesting to see data on this by state. Nursing, unfortunately, is much more difficult in states without unions. In California, the strong nurses union has ensured somewhat better staffing ratios and much better pay than in other states.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
this is more correct, the medical fields have to do a lot of paperwork to follow rules and avoid issues (legal?) almost half of their time are on charting instead of taking care of patients, paperwork is needed, but in most facilities, it takes too much time, and the workflows are not optimized enough as well...
I've always wondered why they don't hire an assistant that JUST does the paperwork/coding for the doctor. They could follow them into room and just take notes (and leave at times when it is appropriate). How much could it cost to pay someone else to do this? Surely less than a doctor makes doing it... It can become its own profession. It's a separate skill - separate from what a doctor should be focusing on. On a sid…
My kid's pediatrician has a guy that does this. The job title was "Scribe." A little bit crowded in the exam room but you get used to it.
The Scribe had a laptop and could look up whatever info was needed while the doc was doing his thing. If a scrip is needed the scribe types it in to the system and then the doc had to read it and approve.
Just keeping the docs hands clean from not having to touch a dirty laptop/iPad all the time has a health benefit I bet.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#158High stress environment, stagnant wages unless you're a travel nurse, underappreciated during the pandemic, and having friends turn on you because they associate you with some crazy conspiracy theory. These are all reasons I've heard of career nurses quitting and going into other industries.
I was under the impression that nurses were paid pretty well (generally speaking).
They're paid alright (generally speaking), but most devs wouldn't even consider a job at that rate. And the bar for entry is way higher: years of competitive and expensive schooling.
And that's ignoring the other factors that GP mentioned. I don't get assaulted on a daily/weekly basis. I'm not getting coughed on by COVID-infected patients who want to kill me because they don't believe that COVID is real. I don't endure a regular drumbeat of patient deaths and the constant second-guessing "what if I did X differently". I don't need to handle people's bodily fluids. And then there's the politics, internal and external (the conspiracy nuts, the fucked-up pecking order in hospitals, unions, insurance- and pharma-driven policies, politicization of healthcare, etc). I could go on and on, and I only know one nurse personally.
Nurses are not paid anywhere near "pretty well." They're treated like shit and the pay isn't anywhere near fair compensation for the service that they provide.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#159While it's anecdote, every single peer in bedside medical care I know without exception has either left the field, or has immediate plans to as soon as student loan debt is repaid. The few older medical professionals in my family are simply sticking out the last few years until they can retire early. This was generally the case prior to pandemic due to how poor the work environment has become, but the pandemic seems…
Also anecdotal, but we’re looking for home healthcare for a parent. There are zero in a 50+ mile radius.
One of their neighbors used to work for a home healthcare company in the area.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#160While it's anecdote, every single peer in bedside medical care I know without exception has either left the field, or has immediate plans to as soon as student loan debt is repaid. The few older medical professionals in my family are simply sticking out the last few years until they can retire early. This was generally the case prior to pandemic due to how poor the work environment has become, but the pandemic seems…
I'm friends with quite a few nurses, primarily travel nurses, and not a single one is considering a change in career that I am aware of. Simply an anecdotal counterpoint and nothing more.
The travel nurse market is growing due to supply and demand problems.
The demand for nurses is increasing as people are leaving and there are more from the boomer generation hitting an age where they need more care.
The supply has stayed the same. Schools local to me have not increased output for various reasons (lack of instructors, lack of space in local hospitals where nurses train, etc). The supply is too low.
So, we have a supply and demand problem. Travel nurses get paid a lot more because of this.
The solution is to produce more nurses. Something few are talking about.
One of the local schools, to me, turned away half of applicants because the program isn't increasing capacity.