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Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by mschuster91 »

mrtksn wrote: post #2

I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…

> Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once you ensure that someone is not gaming the system, i.e. someone pretending to be more than one person.

And how is one supposed to do that, especially against nation-state actors such as Russia and China, both of which have been caught or implicated multiple times now, or against ordinary criminals?

> Filter bubbles? Doesn't have to be a thing, you have all the data to detect bubbles and pop them by introducing them to each other.

Great idea, expose LGBT people to Christian fundamentalists, it's not like harassment from these groups and their ideology isn't one of the leading causes of suicide of LGBT people.

"Filter bubbles" are the self-organized "social mechanisms that we organically use in our daily lives to combat bad actors" you were talking about.

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by throwaway4good »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #105

From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

You can trash talk all you want - though some outlets may not let you because they care about their other users.

In other words. If you get thrown out of hn, you can try reddit, but you may end up enjoing 4chan. If you go to jail, it will be because of something you did, not something you said.

In other words: It is all free speech, and we, the other people, have an equal right not to listen to you.

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by bmitc »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #105

From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

Musk’s involvement in Twitter has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Like many things he does, it’s a false narrative to push what he wants forwards. He has a clear history of trying to bully and shutdown those that disagree with him in any capacity.

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by mc32 »

542458 wrote: post #126

As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…

HN may be “heavily” as you say, moderated, but you are allowed to discuss things that counter any narrative as long as you make a reasonable effort at presenting your ideas in a reasonable way.

You don’t get banned for criticizing bitcoin, VCs, Hunter Biden, US policies, BLM, the police, inflation, gender, feminism, masculinity, etc., etc, whereas Twitter tends to ban things that go counter to particular narratives even in the face of evidence. You’re a epidemiologist and critique Covid policies? Not allowed!!!

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by bko »

542458 wrote: post #126

As somebody from the first world who has had the experience of moderating Internet forums… free speech in the sense of “the government generally shouldn’t control people’s speech, with limited exceptions” is good and necessary. Free speech in the sense of “everybody should be forced to platform every idea” is silly IMO. Left alone user content rapidly devolves into the most low-effort salient content - flame wars, po…

> This is key for a good user experience

Do you think Twitter optimizes their speech policies for a good user experience? My impression is that things that are very mainstream are disallowed on Twitter while very fringe ideas as allowed

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by lm28469 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #105

From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

The US is the only country with such weird views on free speech, there are many perfectly free (often with better freedom of speech/press scores actually) first world countries with different definition of free speech.

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Post by bmitc »

mrtksn wrote: post #2

I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…

Musk is not an activist. At this point, I’d consider him a cult leader and an opportunist. He does not have people’s best interest at heart.
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