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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by bufferoverflow »

idleproc wrote: post #141
KevinGlass wrote: post #26

Something about this makes me nauseous. Perhaps is the fact that soon the market value for creatives is going to fall to a hair about zero for all but the most famous. We will be all the poorer for it when 95% of images you see are AI generated. There will be niches of course but in a few short years it'll be over for a huge swathe of creative professionals who are already struggling. Some of the images also hit me w…

I imagine it will affect artists much the same way wordpress has affected web designers. Maybe everyone will have an AI image as their desktop wallpaper, but if you've got cash you'll want something with provenance and rarity to brag about. Also, I think creatives are valued for their imagination. If you wanted something decent, would you pay someone to sift through a million AI generated images to find a gem, or jus…

> you'll want something with provenance and rarity to brag about.

1) That is a tiny share of the market. Most of the market is - I have a game / online publication / book, and I need an illustration xyz. Which this AI seems to solve.

2) how do you even prove your rare art wasn't painted by an AI?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by nullc »

binarymax wrote: post #11
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

Removing these areas to mitigate misuse is a good thing and worth the trade off. Companies like OpenAI have a responsibility to society. Imagine the prompt “A photorealistic Joe Biden killing a priest”. If you asked an artist to do the same they might say no. Adding guiderails to a machine that can’t make ethical decisions is a good thing.

This just means that sufficiently wealthy and powerful people will have advanced image faking technology, and their fakes will be seen as more credible because creating fakes like that "isn't possible" for mere mortals.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by [deleted] »

planetsprite wrote: post #113
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

Don't worry, in a few years someone will have reverse engineered a dall-e porn engine so you can see whatever two celebrities you want boning on Venus in the style of Manet

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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by momojo »

agloeregrets wrote: post #55

The most interesting item to me is the variations on the garden shop and bathroom sink idea. The realism of these leaks the AI lacking intuition of the requirements. This makes for a number of nonsensical designs that look right at first like: This Sink lacks sensical faucets. https://cdn.openai.com/dall-e-2/demos/variations/modified/ba... This doorway is downright impossible https://cdn.openai.com/dall-e-2/demos/var…

Great point. When I saw the shadows and reflections, I thought it had developed a primitive understanding of physical logic. Now I'm not so sure.

At this point, it still seems like it's pushing pixels around until it's "good enough" when you squint at it.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

Ftuuky wrote: post #134

What jobs will be there in 5~10 years when we consider all the progress done with Dall-E, GPT-3, Codex/GitHub Copilot, Alpha* and so on?

Things that require understanding of causation will be safe longer. Progress like this is driven by massive datasets. Meanwhile, real world action-taking applications require different paradigms to take causation into account[0][1], and especially to learn safely (e.g. learning to drive without crashing during the beginner stages).

There's certainly research happening around this, and RL in games is a great test bed, but people choosing actions will safe from automation longer than people not choosing actions, if that makes sense. It's the person who decides "hire this person" vs the person who decides "I'll use this particular shade of gray."

[0] The best example is when X causes Y and X also causes Z, but your data only includes Y and Z. Without actually manipulating Y, you can't see that Y doesn't cause Z, even if it's a strong predictor.

[1] Another example is the datasets. You need two different labels depending on what happens if you take action A or B, which you can't have simultaneously outside of simulations.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by jdrc »

zone411 wrote: post #147

Some more examples: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1511724264629678084

there are some masterpieces there. this is the end of clipart and stock images, and the beginning of awesome illustrations in every article.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by johnfn »

Imnimo wrote: post #90
recuter wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What always bother me with this stuff is, well, you say one approach is more sensible than the other because the images happen to come out more pleasing. But there's no real rhyme or reason, it is a sort of alchemy. Is text encoding strictly worse or is it an artifact of the implementation? And if it is strictly worse, which is probably the case, why specifically? What is actually going on here? I can't argue that th…

Yeah, I mean you're right that ultimately the proof is in the pudding. But I do think we could have guessed that this sort of approach would be better (at least at a high level - I'm not claiming I could have predicted all the technical details!). The previous approaches were sort of the best that people could do without access to the training data and resources - you had a pretrained CLIP encoder that could tell you…

I gotta be missing something here, because wasn’t “teaching a three year old to paint” (where the three year old is DALLE) the original objective in the first place? So if we’ve reduced the problem to that, it seems we’re back where we started. What’s the difference?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by sillysaurusx »

wokwokwok wrote: post #111
educaysean wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels unnecessarily hostile. I've felt a similar tinge of disappointment upon reading that paragraph, despite the fact that I somehow knew it was "their service, their call" without you being there to spell it out for me. It's also incredibly shortsighted of you to assume that people are interested in exploring this tool only as a means of generating art that they cannot themselves do. Eg. I myself am a software…

This is kind of like complaining about having too many meetings at work. Yup, everyone feels it. …but, does complaining help? Nope. All it does is make you feel a bit better with out really putting in effort in. We can’t have nice things because people abuse them. Not everyone. …but enough people that it’s both a PR and legal problem. specifcally a legal problem in this case. To have adults treated like adults online…

None of this is true. It’s not a legal problem.

Every single time OpenAI comes out with something, they dress it up as a huge threat, either to society or to themselves. Everyone falls for it. Then someone else comes along, quietly replicates it, and poof! No threat! Isn’t it incredible how that works?

There are already a bunch of dalle replicas, including ones hosted openly and uncensored by huggingface. They’re not facing huge legal or PR problems, and they’re not out of business.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by loufe »

rvz wrote: post #22
marcodiego wrote: post #4

Cartoonists, say good-bye to your job.

NFTs using Dall-E 2 variations incoming.

Not that it's impossible to hide the provenance of an image, but it is explicitly forbidden in the TOS of DALL-E to sell the images as NFTs or otherwise.
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