Debian still having trouble with merged /usr

Post by sph » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 11:24 AM UTC

bamboozled wrote: post #86

sph wrote: post #4

Democracy is pretty decent, but comes with some big flaws: tyranny of the minority, enormous amounts of back-and-forth to get anything done, big egos at any level can stop progress. Debian is the very example of it. Case in point: other distros forced the usr migration and very few problems were had. Debian put the idea through a committee, of course a minority wanted to keep the old behaviour so Debian decided to su…

Democracy is pretty decent, but comes with some big flaws: tyranny of the minority Did you invent this? Because it's freaking brilliant!

Post by pabs3 » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 11:26 AM UTC

mwcampbell wrote: post #45

agumonkey wrote: post #14

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> tyranny of the minority this is a trendy thing too, very often minorities who felt ignored, are now pushing to get more because of the tiranny of the majority had flaws (but to me is mostly unavoidable due to the natural economies of scale it grants). I don't know how one can design a social system where you balance both in the right way.

> the tiranny of the majority had flaws (but to me is mostly unavoidable due to the natural economies of scale it grants). In a different context, this is a source of frustration for me as a (partially) blind person advocating accessibility for blind people. The world is designed around the assumption, correct for most people, that people have the high-bandwidth, low-latency sense of sight. And that does lead to the…

Post by 0des » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 11:32 AM UTC

netheril96 wrote: post #152

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I'd probably have a beautiful full head of hair still...

You wouldn’t exist in that world.

Post by WhyNotHugo » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 11:34 AM UTC

egberts1 wrote: post #154

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #146

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Using `/usr/bin/` readonly is also a thing on some few distros (e.g.: Fedora Silverblue), so maybe you want to consider that for your usecase. For device-local binaries (e.g.: not part of firmware), /usr/local/bin sounds like the right choice (also, somewhat in line what some BSDs do).

This is just another direction to desktop-hive mentality with a focus toward minimizing security. Perhaps, it might be ideal and suitable to Windows-ize for your case; the security modeling of many designs, not so much.

Post by georgyo » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 11:36 AM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #124

iso1210 wrote: post #52

> The /usr merge idea was first raised in "The Case for the /usr Merge" by Lennart Poettering in 2012. It came out of the systemd community Well that's a recipe for a long drawnout battle

As somebody who really does not care either way, all this just sounds more like moving problems rather than solving a problems. At least, I don't think there are many Linux systems where you can safely remove /bin from the path just yet. I just checked. My Manjaro install has a /bin and it is full of files that look like I would not want to lose them. So, they fixed the /bin to /usr/bin thing for some packages but cl…