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Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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When I was in grad school my advisor was in China for a few months. Any emails where air quality was discussed seemed to end up black-holed. Similar messages using pig latin versions of the same phrases seemed to make it through just fine.

Somewhat unsurprising - more interestingly, was it individual words or combinations of phrases that caught the filter? Also amusing that somewhat simple ciphers still easily defeat the Great Firewall (would ROT13 have also worked?)

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You clearly have some preconceived grudge towards Amazon or any big employer. They didn't die because they were "working to death." They died because the building collapsed. They deserve scrutiny for that that, but so do the building codes.

This is a reply to both you and the person above you. There aren't building codes that can stop a tornado, not unless you want military style bunkers everywhere. Tornado's have approx double the windspeed of hurricanes. In tornado prone places life doesn't stop when there is danger nearby. Instead people go to the safest place they can, knowing it can only help for glancing blows, or weak tornado's. I quote: "Thus, t…

My point is that employers in tornado prone areas should have sections of the building that are sufficiently safe from tornados. As far, as I can tell, Amazon was following the rules, but labor activists are blaming Amazon for doing say, saying instead that they should have let them leave.

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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Please keep in mind this is a rewards program text box, not a chat app. The program itself may be stupid, but I don't know any company that would allow these terms in internally visible recognition. My company uses manual review for recognition, but I would expect a call from my manager if I sent a public kudos "Great job fighting for union pay raises for the slave labor at our company"

"union" would be a pretty normal term for a kudos app.

Like "great job working with the union and the company on that safety issue!"

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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I don't understand why we expect Amazon to do the right thing vs we should expect in this case all retailers to do the right thing? Unfortunately as consumers we are always looking for the best deal or the lowest price on everything. Which means retailers need to cut costs every way possible which in turn leads to sucking every ounce out of workers. Let's assume that Amazon did end up making things way better for the…

Jeff Bezos's $200B says he's not paying the most he can while still surviving in business.

Let's do some math for fun. Amazon now employs about a million workers in the US. Let's naively assume 3/4 of them work in warehouses and delivery as opposed to corporate. Let's also assume they work, on average, 2000 hours a year (roughly full-time). For Amazon to raise those wages by $1/hr (or lower efficiency demands by ~7%) it would cost them around $1.5B every year.

Now, you're probably thinking that's chump change compared to Amazon's profits, but fun fact: Amazon's online sales segment doesn't make much profit. In fact, it lost $200M in Q4 [1]. So you basically want Amazon to either go deeply in the red, or else they have to raise prices on products to also raise worker wages.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/amazons-profit-engines-are-h...

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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Yeah, this leak is about a brainstorming session. It was a stupid suggestion that apparently hasn’t seen the light of day.

Looks like it went further than just a brainstorming session, because a list of words and phrases to be blocked was assembled and this is what leaked. It isn't clear whether or not they would have proceeded if there hadn't been a leak.

> It isn't clear whether or not they would have proceeded if there hadn't been a leak.

Right, just many folks on this thread like OC insinuating that it's already been built.

I think asking why this idea got as far as it did is a valid question. I mean creating an app and filtering for profanity is standard. But then who hijacked the list and added pretty benign terms?

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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It's an interesting full circle from capitalistic company to soviet style censorship.

They’re completely different though. In communism, man censors and exploits man. In capitalism, it’s the other way around.

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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> The major goal of the program, Amazon’s head of worldwide consumer business, Dave Clark, said, was to reduce employee attrition by fostering happiness among workers — and also productivity. Shout-Outs would be part of a gamified rewards system in which employees are awarded virtual stars and badges for activities that “add direct business value,” documents state. At the meeting, Clark remarked that “some people are…

The scariest thing isn't that Amazon is a company worth nearly trillions and using that money to oppress workers to maintain their lead.

It's that tech workers are happily applying to get a decent paycheck and crushing people under them, just to protect the company's billions. Then they'll post online about how happy they are to have been smart enough to save up to buy a lakefront home and retire at 45, and say people should follow their path in tech if they're looking for a step up (after destroying the road behind them and making it easier to oppress workers), or worse, pretend to lament how hard it is for other people to follow their footsteps and how something needs to be done.

FAANG workers are really entering and sometimes fully into "just following orders" territory. The lame social media posts from fellow tech workers about how things "should" be regulated gets tiresome. The real solution is to simply not work for them.

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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> The major goal of the program, Amazon’s head of worldwide consumer business, Dave Clark, said, was to reduce employee attrition by fostering happiness among workers — and also productivity. Shout-Outs would be part of a gamified rewards system in which employees are awarded virtual stars and badges for activities that “add direct business value,” documents state. At the meeting, Clark remarked that “some people are…

I'm hoping - and expecting - Amazon workers will game, euphemize, parody, ridicule and covertly subvert this clueless attempt at coercive social engineering for as long as Amazon thinks it is a good idea.

Amazonian182829: I'd like see us more together. That way we could get more of what we're looking for. Still be hard, but not like django working.

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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Why don’t their employees quit then and work somewhere better if they have the opportunity? If they don’t have a better opportunity than seems like Amazon is providing a valuable opportunity. Not to mention we seem to be in a worker-favorable economy.

> If they don’t have a better opportunity than seems like Amazon is providing a valuable opportunity. So when are we letting children back in the coalmines?

These kids need a few days in the coal mine.

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If you still have a prime membership this is a great time to cancel it.

And if Amazon is trying to set up a distribution center in your state, county, or town: fight it. At the very least insist on language that prohibits any sort of corporate welfare. No tax breaks, no free infrastructure. Bezos is the richest man in the world; he can afford to run a new sewer or water main to his big fancy warehouses, instead of making a county's worth of low-income blue-collar folks pay for it. He can…

If the next town over does not follow this strategy, you will quickly find yourself in a diminished community with less public services and available jobs.
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