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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rglullis »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #144
rglullis wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution for that is easy: don't buy the absolute-latest-generation of any hardware. I've owned Samsung laptops, HP laptops, Thinkpads. I've built my own work desktops. I've never had any issues, as long as the hardware is ~6 months out on the market. That's about the time it takes for linux devs to catch up with companies that focus on windows drivers.

That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years may still not work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). The rule still is to get either a Linux-supported or at least a Linux-popular laptop, even if it's more expensive or doesn't…

I've been using Linux as my main OS for almost 15 years.

Even on very cheap HP laptops, following this rule has worked for me flawlessly so far. Between telling people "you should spend more money on X just to be sure" and "Y is cheaper and it is very likely that it will work", I'd 100% recommend them trying the cheaper option first. Even if it turns out to not work, they can always return it and go to the more expensive alternative later.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by prmoustache »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #144
rglullis wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution for that is easy: don't buy the absolute-latest-generation of any hardware. I've owned Samsung laptops, HP laptops, Thinkpads. I've built my own work desktops. I've never had any issues, as long as the hardware is ~6 months out on the market. That's about the time it takes for linux devs to catch up with companies that focus on windows drivers.

That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years may still not work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). The rule still is to get either a Linux-supported or at least a Linux-popular laptop, even if it's more expensive or doesn't…

> That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years still don't work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box").

I have 5 laptops on linux at home, all but one being from a "pro" line (ie Lenovo thinkpad, HP elitebook, Dell latitude, all have a working webcam. I'd say with the exception of fingerprint readers which I never cared to test all the functionnalities have been working from day 1.

I think anyone is safe provided you buy profesionnal models, don't buy the latest and newest tech and avoid nvidia GPUs.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by sneak »

LooseMarmoset wrote: post #124
sneak wrote: post #76

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With Little Snitch (and thorough abandonment of iCloud, iMessage, Siri, FaceTime, and the App Store) you can have this once again. There are about 30 Apple processes to which you need to deny all network access. Then a Mac is relatively quiet. (By default Apple stuff is whitelisted in Little Snitch, you have to go and manually uncheck built-in allow rules.) Apple built something called the ContentFilterExclusionList…

You can't buy a Mac anonymously?

Not the maxed out BTO ones, at least not at present for the Mac Studio.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by wongarsu »

patentatt wrote: post #142
dmitrybrant wrote: post #131

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One of my first tasks after a clean install of Windows is to disable any unnecessary services, including the Search Indexer. Not only do I disable the service itself, but I also explicitly remove all folders from the "indexed locations" control panel, and explicitly disable the "Allow files to be indexed" bit on the disk itself. I've literally never needed to search my disk for a file (using the Windows search interf…

It would be acceptable if windows search worked well and was fast -- but it's not. I search for something and it still churns the file system looking for my search query. What is the point of all that indexing if it still seems to always traverse the fs for each search!? By comparison, a third party search application [1] gives me results as soon as my key lifts and doesn't excessively index (at least for me). [1] ht…

A reindex of my entire drive in Voidtools Everything is substantially faster than a search in Windows Explorer over that drive.

That does speak to the remarkable efficiency of Voidtools Everything, as I understand it they don't use Window's filesystem stack but parse the NTFS partition directly. And I get that the Windows indexer is technically more powerful because it indexes file metadata like author etc. I still don't get what makes Windows search this slow.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

rglullis wrote: post #151
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years may still not work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). The rule still is to get either a Linux-supported or at least a Linux-popular laptop, even if it's more expensive or doesn't…

I've been using Linux as my main OS for almost 15 years. Even on very cheap HP laptops, following this rule has worked for me flawlessly so far. Between telling people "you should spend more money on X just to be sure" and "Y is cheaper and it is very likely that it will work", I'd 100% recommend them trying the cheaper option first. Even if it turns out to not work, they can always return it and go to the more expen…

The rule is not "spend more money", that's just bullshit. You buy the most expensive laptop they have it is almost guaranteed not to work, because no one else will have bought it. The rule is to keep yourself to the business/professional lines, or otherwise the really popular models.

And not only I have _never_ bought a new laptop ( always used/refurbished/thrift) , but for the past 12 years I have been submitting patches to Linux to support the laptops I get. Once you get outside of the popular lines, there is very few people doing that. It will not happen in 6 months or 6 years unless you do it. Typing this from an HP laptop which even 6 years after release did not have all WMI hotkeys mapped.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by prmoustache »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #11
sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

Nope, instead you have to apply guesswork to figure out why an apt-get call accidentally uninstalled your desktop environment. :P

Unless you blindly launch all apt-get call with the -y command it will ask you for confirmation before uninstalling anything.

If you say yes, it is not an accident but 1. your own decision 2. it is easily reversible.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by vaylian »

rosndo wrote: post #65
dmitriid wrote: post #31

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Except it's been proven again and again that this is not even remotely the truth. The number of people who can properly analyse complex software to uncover what it actually does is a line asymptotically approaching zero. While OpenSSL is an overused example, it still remains a good one.

And the people who can do so are usually the same people who’d be perfectly capable of analyzing binaries directly. Besides, you’ll never know if the code you’re looking at abuses some compiler quirk without studying the binary.

> And the people who can do so are usually the same people who’d be perfectly capable of analyzing binaries directly.

I doubt that. And even the people who are good at analyzing binaries probably prefer to have the source code available to save a lot of time.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rglullis »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #155
rglullis wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Linux as my main OS for almost 15 years. Even on very cheap HP laptops, following this rule has worked for me flawlessly so far. Between telling people "you should spend more money on X just to be sure" and "Y is cheaper and it is very likely that it will work", I'd 100% recommend them trying the cheaper option first. Even if it turns out to not work, they can always return it and go to the more expen…

The rule is not "spend more money", that's just bullshit. You buy the most expensive laptop they have it is almost guaranteed not to work, because no one else will have bought it. The rule is to keep yourself to the business/professional lines, or otherwise the really popular models. And not only I have _never_ bought a new laptop ( always used/refurbished/thrift) , but for the past 12 years I have been submitting pa…

I know you didn't say "buy the most expensive", but you said "stick with professional models" which comparatively are more expensive than general models which can work just fine.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by sjcoles »

gigaflop wrote: post #141
dmitrybrant wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my first tasks after a clean install of Windows is to disable any unnecessary services, including the Search Indexer. Not only do I disable the service itself, but I also explicitly remove all folders from the "indexed locations" control panel, and explicitly disable the "Allow files to be indexed" bit on the disk itself. I've literally never needed to search my disk for a file (using the Windows search interf…

My PC had been fine before the updates (hence not updating until I needed some other thing to work), and I'd never seen Search Indexer pop up in Task Manager in any notable way. something tells me that I might just have a broken version of it, and since Windows Update also looks to be a bit broken, I may just be SOL for the near future. This set of problems may be obviated by actually getting Manjaro to cooperate. It…

Try out Fedora! There's Fedora Rawhide if you want rolling release.

I have been using Rawhide (+ mainline, non rc or git, kernel) on my work machine for the past 6 months without issue.

If you have to compile a lot of kmods it can be a pain as everything is transitioning to GCC12 but the kernels are still built with GCC11. A container can take care of that though.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by dylan604 »

npteljes wrote: post #91
AussieWog93 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, instead you have to apply guesswork to figure out why an apt-get call accidentally uninstalled your desktop environment. :P

I'll take that every day. Because it's not like proprietary doesn't fuck itself up. For an anecdote, I had a laptop with Win8 preinstalled, and Update just wasn't working one day. The solution? Scouring the internet to find a Microsoft executable that fixed update. How? We'll never know. Because we're not meant to.

Or the MS update that nuked people's Documents folder?
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