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Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by oofbey »

okasaki wrote: post #123
oofbey wrote: post #63

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I have been a huge fan of Ubuntu for a long time. But the way they push snap is really making me question this choice. The more I learn about snap the less I like it.

It seems that sometimes the push is external. A few days ago Canonical announced that they would switch Firefox to snap because that's the only way Mozilla will allow them to redistribute it.

Having a user app like Firefox force autoupdate is not that bad IMHO. Having server infrastructure components update themselves automatically can be disastrous. This caught me by surprise, painfully.

Snap for GUI apps, okay, fine. Snap for system infrastructure, no thank you.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by apexalpha »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #139
apexalpha wrote: post #121

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My reasons for hating for example the FF snap are quite valid thank you very much. Shall I ponder out loud my own unflattering assumptions as to why you are ok with something like snaps?

Sure, I'd be interested to hear why you prefer (why hate?) traditional packages over containarized ones like Snap or Flatpak.

I'm just a bit weirded out by the vocal hate and anti-Canonical sentiment in this thread. Some people even proudly complaining they've "never used Snaps and never will!"

I mean in the end it's a packaging format with pros and cons, I suppose. But the threads on this subject feels almost an American political debate where everyone is dug in and flinging shit to the other side.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by raffraffraff »

amelius wrote: post #116
kzrdude wrote: post #2

The snap thing makes me want to switch distro (for work) from ubuntu. Unfortunately we have some benefits from using ubuntu as the common platform for less divergence from each other

I would love to switch to something else (e.g. NixOS) but Ubuntu is the required OS for NVidia's Jetson family of hardware.

You can use the Jetson with Docker! It's a total pain in the ass though. Their drivers and software are horrible.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by amelius »

raffraffraff wrote: post #153
amelius wrote: post #116

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I would love to switch to something else (e.g. NixOS) but Ubuntu is the required OS for NVidia's Jetson family of hardware.

You can use the Jetson with Docker! It's a total pain in the ass though. Their drivers and software are horrible.

Ok, thanks. Does it give access to the GPU?

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by raffraffraff »

account-5 wrote: post #71

Can someone explain why I'd use snap or flatpak over the distros repo or manual install for something not in the repo or unavailable via adding a repo? Apart from auto-managed updates. Snap and flatpak are massive compared to "traditional" packages.

Basically because a lot of open source software isn't packaged for each distro. Take Joplin for example: not in the repos and not packaged into a nice .deb file. Distributed as an AppImage.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by chousuke »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #146
chousuke wrote: post #98

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I recommend Fedora to everyone wanting a desktop alternative to Ubuntu. It's a well-balanced distribution that is opinionated enough to work fine as-is but doesn't try to force things on you the way Ubuntu does with snaps.

What DEs are common/supported on Fedora, I use KDE (Kubuntu), I'm not keen on snaps and so it seems expedient to switch distros when I next install (as it seems Ubuntu are all in for snaps).

Gnome is the default and there's a KDE "spin", but I use Sway myself so I can't really comment on how well KDE works.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by kzrdude »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #46
brianshaler wrote: post #16

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I personally use ubuntu and have used snap enough to get thoroughly burned and annoyed by it. Slow starts, no auto-update controls with bad defaults corrupting running programs, spammed mount points... (edit: see comment below for some limited controls to reduce the frequency of auto-updates) But, unless I'm missing something about latest or future releases, isn't it still optional? Can't you use apt instead and unin…

Firefox is only available as snap now. I gues it's bthe same for other apps. For VSCode I managed to download a deb from their site IIRC, but from apt it only suggests to download from snap.

What, where is firefox only available as snap? I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 so haven't run into that yet.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by Brian_K_White »

apexalpha wrote: post #152
Brian_K_White wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My reasons for hating for example the FF snap are quite valid thank you very much. Shall I ponder out loud my own unflattering assumptions as to why you are ok with something like snaps?

Sure, I'd be interested to hear why you prefer (why hate?) traditional packages over containarized ones like Snap or Flatpak. I'm just a bit weirded out by the vocal hate and anti-Canonical sentiment in this thread. Some people even proudly complaining they've "never used Snaps and never will!" I mean in the end it's a packaging format with pros and cons, I suppose. But the threads on this subject feels almost an Ame…

That's not what I asked, and apparently you missed the point of why I asked it.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by raffraffraff »

amelius wrote: post #154
raffraffraff wrote: post #153

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You can use the Jetson with Docker! It's a total pain in the ass though. Their drivers and software are horrible.

Ok, thanks. Does it give access to the GPU?

Yes, if you run the container with the right options. This is a little out of date and may not even be required any more, but it gives you the full SDK manager gui in Docker.

https://github.com/raffraffraff/nvidia-sdkmanager

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by gaius_baltar »

rsolva wrote: post #56

Having observed (well deserved) criticism of both Snap and Flatpak during the years, Flatpak seems to emerge as the most sensible solution, continuously addressing and improving on the pain points and security challenges. I have been using Fedora 34/35 the last year or so, and Flatpaks are well integrated and mostly just works without any performance hit. Being able to adjust permissions per app (with Flatseal) has a…

Perhaps there's still a way to save snaps. Does somebody knows of a snapd fork that allows control over updates and alternate snap stores?
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