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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #81
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by BeeKeeper »

If you want to support MDN, donate to OpenWebDocs.org. That supports open web content documentation on MDN for everybody.

Personally, I have the repo locally, so Plus isn't tempting. But if it adds something that is of value to you, giving money to mozilla isn't a waste I don't think. That said, Open Web Docs is a good investment. I think it's even tax deductible, but either way, it can be written off as a business expense.

Re: MDN Plus

#153

Post by ygjb »

reitanqild wrote: post #44
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions.

Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane.

Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spotify, github, or other popular subs end up contributing to just the feature or service you like as opposed to the entire organization and other initiatives that the organization supports?

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by dsr_ »

ygjb wrote: post #153
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

It's idealism. We still hope, despite the evidence, that Mozilla can be unadulteratedly good, as long as we only look at the open source side of it.

We already know that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and Oracle are evil.

Re: MDN Plus

#156

Post by shkkmo »

reitanqild wrote: post #44
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

From: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/mozilla-and-open-web-docs-...

> Any revenue generated by MDN Plus will stay within Mozilla. Mozilla is looking into ways to reinvest some of these additional funds into open source projects contributing to MDN but it is still in early stages.

> A subscription to MDN Plus gives paying subscribers extra MDN features provided by Mozilla while a donation to Open Web Docs goes to funding writers creating content on MDN Web Docs, and potentially elsewhere.

It's not totally clear to me after a little research, but I think MDN is part of the corporation, not the foundation? (It's isn't listed as on the foundation website as one of their projects.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by newaccount74 »

ygjb wrote: post #153
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

I'm really unhappy with how much money Spotify is pumping into podcasts because I really want them to give that money to musicians instead (I don't listen to podcasts)

Re: MDN Plus

#158

Post by Vinnl »

dsr_ wrote: post #155
ygjb wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

It's idealism. We still hope, despite the evidence, that Mozilla can be unadulteratedly good, as long as we only look at the open source side of it. We already know that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and Oracle are evil.

It's not just the classic "evil" companies though. When you buy a jar of peanut butter, do you demand every cent to be going to production of the jar without overhead? Do you check the peanut butter company's CEO's salary to ensure it's not too high? I sure don't.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by shkkmo »

ygjb wrote: post #153
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

> Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree?

If you are giving charitable donation to the Mozilla Foundation, it is entirely reasonable to ask what they use that money for.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by hu3 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #144
dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Mozilla's revenue and market share went down since the drastic increase in execs' pay. Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company? The usual counter argument in this type of discussions is that it's Google's fault, because they changed their sponsorship, and there's nothing the execs could do. And then the counter to that is why pay big salaries if there's nothing they can do about revenues. Back to square…

>Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company? If their revenue went way up, absolutely. Which is what happened when the executives got more money.

what revenue? Without Google's half billion dollars per year they are dead.
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