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AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
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Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#152I refuse to own an oven that is internet connected. If my oven has enough of a computer to have a firmware that can be updated remotely, it is too dangerous to own.
Yeah if it doesn't have a hard off internet/bluetooth switch I don't want it. I don't want some hacker-ish kid next door pwning it in 5 years when the manufacturer no longer updates, I don't want to have to load security updates on my toaster. I just want to push the thingy and then the thing happens. All my kitchen appliances are 15 years old, 5 years old when I bought the house.
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, I think you're being uncharitable. My 80 year old mother could definitely figure out how to hold down a button while turning the thing off and on. We've been living with some version of that reality for decades.
Also to set up a wifi network with a particular SSID and a device on that that runs a TFTP server?
My mom is pretty adept with her iPad. If she was instructed to download an app, load it, and then stand in the kitchen after doing the button-push on the microwave, it would be completely within her ability. She knows what a wifi network is, she knows the password for hers. She is definitely slowing down a bit with age, but she rarely requires me to come over and help her with such things, at most she just asks for more confirmation these days before she says yes to a prompt.
That last part could also be because I harp on it every time the topic comes up, that under no circumstances should she be answering yes or ok to any random prompts that she isn't very familiar with already, and please call me if she's at all questioning the legitimacy of what she sees.
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean I can think of a few options: - Pre heat oven remotely - Check on the food remotely - Have (and update) settings for specific food? I mean it's not the worst thing to connect online.
Who preheats a microwave oven?
It's a combination microwave/convection oven.
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#155Why is there no user-facing firmware update/recovery feature, so that at least tech-savvy users can resolve the issue themselves? Or a reset feature that reverts to the factory firmware located on a separate, read-only chip? Ah yes, it's to prevent people downgrading or running "unauthorized" firmware when they inevitably start adding user-hostile "features".
A better question is, why do microwave ovens now need internet connections and software updates?
Gives them opportunity to force some kind of MRR on you. Newspaper subscription for fridge mounted screen, recipes subscription for ovens, sky is the limit.
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#156On my oven I want a knob. That's it. I'll light it with a match. Presently have those lighting spark things on my 5 year old samsung. Already failures. No, I do not want networking, apps, wifi, touchscreens or any form of digitality. This shit is glitter for the "technologically educated" class. Turning a $1 tshirt into a $10 tshirt
Yeah I'm in a similar situation, I just use a match lol. Every now and then it will make a sad little "tick tick" as I turn the knob. Not sure what's wrong with it but it doesn't matter, we have mastered fire.
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Compared to 'the internet' electricity is pretty predictable.
My experience is with making a few consumer electronics products and running through the UL/CE gauntlet. In those cases, the ‘materiel’ required to make sure you don’t shock your users to death is a bigger lift than what happens if one of nine I/O lines are held high or low or fuzzed in interesting ways when there are secondary layers of fusing built in. From what I recall your background was in industrial machines a…
That's a fair point, users tend to find interesting and novel ways to apply for Darwin awards with disconcerting ease. They also excel in coming up with reasons why all those fancy lock-outs don't apply to them. Tape, pens, kitchenware, anything will do to get that gear to run with the door open...
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#158Why is there no user-facing firmware update/recovery feature, so that at least tech-savvy users can resolve the issue themselves? Or a reset feature that reverts to the factory firmware located on a separate, read-only chip? Ah yes, it's to prevent people downgrading or running "unauthorized" firmware when they inevitably start adding user-hostile "features".
A better question is, why do microwave ovens now need internet connections and software updates?
How else do you automate the hot pocket delivery system. What is this 2010? Do you expect me to order hot pockets myself like some sort of pleb?
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#159Why is there no user-facing firmware update/recovery feature, so that at least tech-savvy users can resolve the issue themselves? Or a reset feature that reverts to the factory firmware located on a separate, read-only chip? Ah yes, it's to prevent people downgrading or running "unauthorized" firmware when they inevitably start adding user-hostile "features".
A better question is, why do microwave ovens now need internet connections and software updates?
To this day I wish things like WWV (https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-di...) worked better. Folks from Ninja Networks attempted to use something like that on their DEFCON 17 badges (https://www.wired.com/2009/08/hacking-the-defcon-17-badges/) but it required folks to be stationary too long to sync time.
Seeing as most major appliances are stationary it would have struck me as a good fit (with the exception of time zones / DST).
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
The percentage of microwave users that could perform such a trick rounds down to zero.
Eh, I think you're being uncharitable. My 80 year old mother could definitely figure out how to hold down a button while turning the thing off and on. We've been living with some version of that reality for decades.
I wonder if that percentage of tech-savvy "elderly" is going up over time. I know I remember hearing that about anything computer related 20 years ago, but many of the people in the upper age ranges now lived with computers for a majority of their life.
My grandma is not tech savvy, but can follow directions pretty well. My spouse's grandma is tech savvy to a certain level and manages her own computer and photo library. I know either of them would likely be able to hold down a button and follow some set of directions to join a wifi and upload a file.