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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by InitialBP »

root_axis wrote: post #140
snek_case wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Is this true? I don't see much evidence that the technology is progressing in a direction where models will require less training data, if anything the trend seems to be towards models with higher and higher parameter counts.

Disclaimer: I know basically nothing about ML.

I think the idea is that data needed to imitate a _specific person_ would require less data. Overall a model like that might have orders of magnitude more data in general and maybe a smaller amount required to imitate the features of a particular one.

I imagine it like - A master cabinet maker can make new variations of cabinets super easily once they've made hundreds of similar cabinets?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by beepbooptheory »

mmaunder wrote: post #20

The quality on this is really awful. Lighting mismatch on the neck, no atmospheric effects, voice sounds robotic, very little movement and it’s unnatural. It’s not even a useful PoC. It’s more like a meme. I think if it actually got some traction in mainstream media - like Marina Ovsyannikova’s fake Twitter account which was quoted by journos, then you could call it a legitimate first.

It pales in comparison to those Tom Cruise ones that were going around a little while ago.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by [deleted] »

dhimes wrote: post #58
Loughla wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% of the time, you are correct. I like living here because people leave me alone, mostly. That being said, you are absolutely on your own. The hospital struggles, the schools struggle, the roads are awful, and anything remotely related to 'government' is funded just above the point of being dead. And if you do not seem to be 'from here' (read: white, straight, middle- to upper-middle class, or have the right last n…

New Hampshire?

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Terry_Roll »

bradstewart wrote: post #149
Terry_Roll wrote: post #98

Now if the head didnt oscillate sideways like it wasnt connected to the neck and perhaps they used a grainy pixelated recording, they might have got away with the visuals. Cant comment on the voice recording, but so far most deepfake software isnt that good because its not aware of other variables. Good laugh though, still the existence of sky fairies like god, ie something that cant be proved is still order of the d…

Sure, it's not perfect. But you also knew it was a fake before seeing it, right? Maybe I should be, but I'm generally not looking for inconsistencies like that in everything I watch.

> Sure, it's not perfect. But you also knew it was a fake before seeing it, right? Open mind. Do you trust everything you see and hear in the news or internet? There is fake news, fake science, fake lots of things, some call it Magic entertainment, its been going on for how many hundreds if not thousands of years, irrespective of maliciousness or not. Sometimes its best to follow the money or look at the resulting change in behaviour to get an idea of whats going on.

Edit: How many people have followed their sat-nav into lakes and rivers?

You cant give anything absolute trust, even binary on a cpu is just voltage ranges.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Symbiote »

gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

The current pamphlet is available in English, and the new text is on page 12 as printed (page 7 digitally): https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/28706.pdf

> If Sweden is attacked by another country, we will never give up. All information to the effect that resistance is to cease is false.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by bloopernova »

snek_case wrote: post #62
fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Random question: Does deepfake software build a 3D model of the faces involved?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Loughla »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #145
MisterTea wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do either of these incidents have to do with trust in the media? Both incidents were fabrications of the government. In both cases the media was a tool used by government to spread the lies.

> One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. There is an implication by the OP that people in very conservative parts of the state don't believe Google / MSM and point to deep fakes instead. In the past, they would've been more receptive to the MSM who could've debunked this. I posted these two incidents to show that the MSM did,…

Bingo. And I'm all for skepticism, and I understand a healthy skepticism. BUT

What is a problem, though, is that their sources are always things like americafreedompatriot, thetruereporter or other similar blog bullshit that claim to have 'the truth' (my personal favorite is welovetrump that's definitely unbiased).

My experience is they tend to look for sources that feel good and agree with what they believe, then use that as truth. No critical thinking.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by penjelly »

fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

the video was pretty obviously fake though imo. i saw more real deepfakes 5 years ago
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