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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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When US invaded Iraq (because of false claims about weapons of mass destruction), people did not call random numbers in America. And ordinary Americans did not do anything to stop their government from invading another country on false premises.

lol exactly. People in the USA seem to have selective amnesia about the time America invaded a sovereign nation based on false premises.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#152

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I also kind of wonder how effective it would be. Put yourself in their shoes. What if you received a random phone call from someone claiming that all the media coverage of the war in Ukraine is actually fake and that there is no war at all and it’s all a peace keeping in response to Ukrainian atrocities. Would you believe it? Given what I’ve seen in the news, I’d just write the person off as crazy personally. I’d exp…

I would listen to the person's arguments and say what I don't like about those arguments. I find the symmetrism you represent ridiculous. How do we know the Earth isn't flat? Maybe flat-earthers are right? How do we know if santa claus exist? Well, we gather data and apply reasoning to that data... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology

> I would listen to the person's arguments and say what I don't like about those arguments.

Well if Russians in general are similar to you, this strategy may work. If they are similar to me, I'd guess it will not work. It seems only time can tell how effective the strategy will be.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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That would make it seem more suspicious! Phone company logs, remember?

On the spot, at a checkpoint? I mean it's obviously possible but is it likely to happen on random inspection? (Serious question, I don't know in Russia, definitely not in other places)

Apparently it's happening: Police officers in Moscow are stopping people, demanding to see their phones, and refusing to release them if they refuse. https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-police-are-demanding...

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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I am from Czechoslovakia, trying to imagine what would happen in 1980s if people then were getting unexpected political calls from unknown foreigners. They would mostly assume it is a secret service provocation and react accordingly. Yes that's hard to believe for westerners that your own state would do such nasty stuff to you, but it was commonplace then. Shortwave radio station that is possible to tune to in Moscow…

I'm from Poland. Only one person in my family had a home phone until the '90s and that was a party line for multiple homes.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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post #101

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Russia has been pushing far right, and attempt to disrupt politics in my country for years. They have gotten Schroder on their payroll so he would sabotage german and Europe energy. Now, they have been threatening western Europe with nukes. Yes, we are clearly at war with Russia.

Words mean something. We are not at war with Russia.

malka is probalby using "we" as an exclusive first person plural pronoun. In English, "we" doesn't always include "you".

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Yes, we’re at war. The rules have changed.

If we are at "war" right now, then what is it called when US troops roll tanks into Russia... "super war"? Words have definitions. The definition of war is "a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state."

You say it’s not a war and then offer a definition of war that very clearly applies to the current scenario.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#157

Also, try to reach out to fellow technology professionals inside Russia and help them to find a way to get out.

With all the airline shutdowns, payment system sanctions and COVID lockdowns (which are still in effect on the Russian border), the west has done a great job of locking Russians inside Russia, where they have three choices:

1. Protest against Putin and go to prison, in the hope that if Putin is gone the west will drop all sanctions (not very likely).

2. Keep head down.

3. Support the government.

Given that the rest of the world is trying as hard as possible to fuck Russia and random ordinary Russians in every way, I suspect a lot of them will conclude it's us vs them and pick (3). Really a bad set of strategies, in my view. It would be ironic and sad if WW3 was triggered by virtue signalling.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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To be honest I find the notion of "We" here to be rather dubious. Russia and Ukraine are at war, and while us private citizens of the broader English-speaking world can condemn one side, and support the other, pushing others towards the belief that this is somehow a total war and that every action is justifiable seems patently false.

Russia has been pushing far right, and attempt to disrupt politics in my country for years. They have gotten Schroder on their payroll so he would sabotage german and Europe energy. Now, they have been threatening western Europe with nukes. Yes, we are clearly at war with Russia.

I don't mean any offense, but I think it's somewhat fascinating that the idea of total war seems assumed by both your comment and the original post. Even if the US and Russia were at war, the notion that private citizens were not just involved, but obligated to contribute seems to be a remnant of the world wars. What's interesting to me is that this notion seems to have disappeared, since to my knowledge there wasn't such an expectation with Vietnam and Korea (though maybe we can argue that the witch hunt for communists was something of a continuation).

Maybe it's due to the positioning of Russia as an existential threat? It just reminds me of the whole freedom fries vs french fries thing and the idea that there isn't a separation between geopolitics and domestic politics.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

#159

When US invaded Iraq (because of false claims about weapons of mass destruction), people did not call random numbers in America. And ordinary Americans did not do anything to stop their government from invading another country on false premises.

Excuse me I was outside with a sign protesting even before the invasion when the votes were being counted in FL then I volunteered for the campaign for a primary challenger after and I certainly had numerous calls from my relatives in Germany where we talked about Iraq.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Phone call is sort term, high effort, and maybe even annoying to those pro-Russians. Just a thought: I been viewing the evidences of Russian war crimes (photograph, video) that people posted on Twitter since the very beginning of the invasion. A lot's of them are real and fact-checked. Maybe it could be a good idea to setup some sort of online and physical memorial to show the timelines of how each single innocent pe…

We could mail photos to Russians and air drop them in Ukraine where Russian forces are.
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