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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

LgWoodenBadger wrote: post #101

itsoktocry wrote: post #87

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> A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. Are you actually claiming that the scale of absurdity between believing election fraud (something members of both parties claim, every losing election, going back decades[1]) and that Ukrainians are killing themselves, en masse, are remotely the same? 1. Here's Hilary Clinton continuing to make claims about 2016 in mainstream m…

Come on man. His is an example of real life “if gold rusts, what then of iron?” If people with a free press believe propaganda and lies, what do you expect of people who only have a state-run propaganda machine?

>what do you expect of people who only have a state-run propaganda machine?

This is your error. They don't "only" have state-run propaganda, and these aren't a backwards, brainwashed, uneducated people.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by zo1 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

I don't think it'll send the message you or the West think it will. I'm not even Russian and I think this all amounts to bullying by the West because they're petulant and can't stand the fact that they are powerless to step in with actual force.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by zo1 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

graeme wrote: post #103

randogeuebdb wrote: post #88

Not arguing against sanctions in general, but for South Africa, the collapse of the soviet union, which had been propping up the south african economy, played a more important role. https://reason.com/2013/12/06/did-economic-sanctions-help-en...

Good article. However it doesn’t say the Soviet Union propped up South Africa. Rather it says that the ANC (opposition) was supported by the Soviets. So the apartheid government argued that apartheid was necessary to keep out communism. When the Soviets collapsed, this argument weakened and more people were convinced to dismantle apartheid.

There are some theories floating around that claim that one of the reasons Apartheid was instituted or started forming as an idea was because of a scare about Communism taking root in South Africa among the black population.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

alm1 wrote: post #109

itsoktocry wrote: post #76

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> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

if you speak Russian you can go on vk.com and check some of the exchanges on public groups. There are also few "interviewing regular Russians on the streets" videos circulating around. To clarify the belief that was cultivated through propaganda is that there are reckless Nazi groups in Ukraine who stop at nothing to hurt russians. They were striking at ethnically russian regions of Ukraine for last 8 years. When Rus…

>For example it took multiple years to establish and cement the idea of Nazi groups in Ukraine.

There are Nazi groups in the Ukraine, and they have a long history. Is this in dispute?

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by jpgvm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:46 PM UTC

rajup wrote: post #127

gameswithgo wrote: post #51

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After seeing what about half of America was able to believe for over six years I have no confidence that people will realize things don’t make sense

Firstly it’s not half of America since not everyone votes. Secondly I doubt every Trump voter believes or believed every single lie he spewed. There are tons of reasons why someone might have voted for him without really agreeing with all of his rubbish. IMHO it would help to stop painting this other section of voters as dumb and easily duped.

There may be reasons other than believing his horseshit but those are generally even more egregious than simply being stupid.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:52 PM UTC

JanSt wrote: post #96

itsoktocry wrote: post #80

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> The army isn't that strong obviously... I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy. Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no dou…

Russia is supposedly a superpower with modern equipment. But their material leaks oil, tyres are in terrible condition food is missing, their logistics don't work out, they have no air superiority, they don't even have secure communication. At this point I'd be surprised if that huge convoy will reach Kiyv within the next week or at all... It shows that you cannot support a huge army in such a poor country (GDP/capit…

>Russia is supposedly a superpower with modern equipment. But their material leaks oil, tyres are in terrible condition food is missing, their logistics don't work out, they have no air superiority, they don't even have secure communication.

I'm having trouble reconciling the above sentences. The equipment they have is the equipment they have, it wasn't a mystery to military analysts or the intelligence community, by any means. That doesn't make their military "weak" any more than it makes the American military "weak" for their results in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Reading through the comments in this thread, I wonder how many people think we're getting unbiased analysis of what's happening over there. Do people really think the Russians are completely flailing here? I have a hard time believing it, myself, but I'm no expert.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by CapricornNoble » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

foxfluff wrote: post #132

CapricornNoble wrote: post #121

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>>>that doesn't mean the Ukrainians are being told lies https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-s-snake-island-h... ^Another example of a Ukrainian "myth" being a straight up lie. I haven't seen good data confirming Ghost of Kiev's kills....much like the "Russian Airborne lost 2x Il-76 transports full of paratroopers". I haven't seen pics of Il-76 crash sites. Seems odd, considering the huge amount of photos/vide…

Can you say what exactly here is a straight up lie? That the Snake Island defenders were thought dead after contact with them was lost following the attack? That Ukraine claims there were 13 defenders while Russia claims there were 82? There's a ton of things we don't have good video coverage of, including the Snake Island events, so it's very hard to verify any claims. This lack of certainty affects the belligerents…

>>>Can you say what exactly here is a straight up lie?

Sure, right here: “Defending the Zmiinyi Island, all our border guards died a heroic death,” Zelensky said. and: The guards will posthumously receive the "Hero of Ukraine," the highest honor Ukraine can bestow, Zelenskyy said. from ( https://www.foxnews.com/world/snake-island-soldiers-russian-... )

His comments left no room for ambiguity. How do you award medals posthumously without CONFIRMATION of death?

Now compare that to the military's actual statement: Ukraine’s State Border Guard Service took to Facebook to announce Snake Island had been captured and its infrastructure destroyed by shelling from a Russian ship on Thursday, adding communication with the guards had been lost.

THAT is the correct way to release a SITREP or pass message traffic: communicate only what you can verify to be true. The Border Guards are closer to the Ground Truth (tm) than the Head of State, so that's the message that should have been propagated, accurately, at all levels. But that's not a good enough morale booster, so some embellishment worked its way in as the story floated up the chain of command. And the consequence is now the Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief has egg on his face. That should NEVER happen.

I've spent years working with a Corps-level Operations Center, including months serving as the Senior Watch Officer. I've seen a LOT of sloppy messaging, confusion, and friction. We have battle drills that we rehearse for casualty reporting, CSAR (Combat Search & Rescue), and TRAP (Tactical Recovery of Aircraft Personnel). Clarity of information is paramount, and any decent Battle Captain (what the Army calls a Watch Officer) should know to ask "Who did this report come from?" and "How do we know that's true?" "Can we VERIFY that?" Or, for a bit of levity: https://youtu.be/oqrO1RtN4gA Did you see...the body? You don't make assumptions, and you don't put your personnel spin on reporting.

The story went from "they lost comms" to "they were Killed in Action and we must award them the highest honors" in the blink of an eye. For them to be lying, is the more charitable assessment of events: the alternative, widespread incompetence from their Operations officers to their Public Affairs/Communications Strategy staff, would be far far worse.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by justin66 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:12 PM UTC

lovelyviking wrote: post #106

jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

> Another idiocy is to think that claiming that NATO isn’t the part of the conflict can prevent them to actually become a part of the conflict. The moment russia will decide they will invent the cause to attack just as they did with Ukraine.

To their credit, the NATO officials and European leaders who are normally prone to think this way are backing up their deescalatory talk with defensive troop movements and jet fighter deployments.

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Post by boplicity » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #133

boplicity wrote: post #123

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The vast majority of Republicans approve of Trump. In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion. Very disheartening.

> ”In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion.” Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest. Edit: Which is more likely, one political faction is objectively correct and the other is objectively wrong, or that partisan people view the world in such a way that their own side isn’t l…

> Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest.

That's a logical fallacy. One's honesty has nothing to do with whether or not other people are honest. It turns out you can actually disapprove of all dishonest people, no matter whether other people are dishonest too.

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Post by shaky-carrousel » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #144

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #99

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> Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Neither is the US. But you and me have seen during this pandemic, to people able to reason that pneumonia can kill, and covid can cause pneumonia, but unable to reason that covid can kill. Propaganda is like that. You only have to take a look at what sects do to people to see the kind of gymnastics people can do in their reasoning because propagand…

I have never met anyone who doesn’t believe Covid can kill. Usually, it’s a strawman. People in favor of lockdowns, masks, and similar interventions ridicule those who aren’t by falsely claiming they “don’t believe in Covid”. Whether it’s worth accepting X amount of suffering to increase average life expectancy by Y years depends on the values of X and Y. If someone argues it’s not worth it in a particular case, that…

Well, that's you and you circle of people. I can count at least five persons in my circle of friend who think people are not dying of covid. Some acknowledge more people are dying, but they think the reason is different, other people think statistics are being manipulated.

But there are people who literally think the world is 4000 years old. There are people who believe evolution doesn't happen. There are even people who believe the earth is flat. And you find a strawman that there are people who think that nobody is dying of covid?