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Re: Psychological Operations

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Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

How do you hire and trust people to perform PsyOps? Presumably they'd know what levers you're pulling, and they may be able to pull the same levers in YOU. Is it just a pay cheque and finding people who already believe what you believe?

I'd imagine the main motivations are similar to those of spies: ego, revenge, money and ideology.

Re: Psychological Operations

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Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

A document with a distribution restriction and destruction instructions on the front page posted by a “former PsyOps guy”. Yeah…I believe you.

It was hosted on FAS, which had/has a long history of doing such things. Steven Aftergood was its co-founder and his bona fides are quite well known: https://sgp.fas.org/aftergood.html

Re: Psychological Operations

#154

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> “There was essentially a de facto ban on the domestic dissemination of materials originating from the State Department,” said Weston Sager, an attorney who published a paper on the change in law. Under the new law, it is still against the law for government-funded media to create programming and market their content to U.S. audiences. > During consideration of the bill, critics voiced concern that lifting the restr…

Having read your quoted text and your link and found them to be spurious and random it seems necessary to restate the question that was posed by the person to whom you replied: Any supporting links to these claims?

The link says that there is a good argument that protections against domestic exposure to American propaganda were weakened, but also that propaganda directly targeted at domestic audiences is still illegal.

Re: Psychological Operations

#155
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How do you hire and trust people to perform PsyOps? Presumably they'd know what levers you're pulling, and they may be able to pull the same levers in YOU. Is it just a pay cheque and finding people who already believe what you believe?

I'd imagine the main motivations are similar to those of spies: ego, revenge, money and ideology.

I think you're right

Re: Psychological Operations

#156
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Well, yeah. It's pretty obvious that Russian troll farms have been running massive psyops. But beyond that, psyops that generate anger with ingroup/outgroup mentality drive eyeballs, and that means profit. There were reports about troll farms in the 2016 election, I think in Albania or the Balkans, that made a fortune making up us-vs-them stories on both sides.

The abject failure of Russian propaganda in the West during the current conflict renders the notion of Russia having any sort of more than trivial shit stirring capability implausible, if not outright risible.

If you look at the rapid change in some points of view in the West, it shows how widespread Russian propaganda is/was.

When the invasion was launched, there was a huge pro-Putin contingent in the US who said it was justified. You can also look historically at how well it worked in Russia's other wars of aggression over the past decade. The fact that it was not able to overcome the images coming out of Ukraine is kinda irrelevant.

Re: Psychological Operations

#157

Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

How much warfare is currently happening on social media sites, nationally operated or otherwise? Are sites like 4chan, facebook, reddit or twitter very influenced by governmental PsyOp operations, national or foreign? To the average bloke like me it would seem like discussions on these pages are being "managed" A LOT, but i could not tell if that is the effects of standard propaganda on the population like the news o…

Guys please stop falling for this psyops comment. I work in PsyOps and he was ordered to speak like there is no psyops against American citizens. Dont believe him believe me

Re: Psychological Operations

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Some example tweets from Russian troll farms around the time of the 2018 measles outbreak https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/ pro-vax: #VaccinateUS You can’t fix stupidity. Let them die from measles, and I’m for #vaccination! #vaccines cause autism—Bye, you are not my friend anymore. And try to think with your brain next #VaccinateUS anti-vax: Dont get #vaccines. Iluminati are behind it. #VaccinateU…

If Russia was able to create division, why are they so bad at it when it matters - now. Those examples seem low quality. The election interference from 2016 is laughable. https://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/171101163247-russ...

> If Russia was able to create division, why are they so bad at it when it matters - now.

Just guessing: It is easier to create division, when you manipulate both sides. It is easier to manipulate both sides, if you genuinely do not care which side wins.

As an example, consider vaccination. Trolling only on the anti-vax side would be a rookie mistake. A few bad arguments get made, then they get debunked, for most people it's game over.

To do it properly, you must also have your trolls on the pro-vax side. Their purpose is to provide stupid arguments in favor of vaccination, so that anyone who remembers their high-school education will go like "wait a moment, this doesn't actually make sense". They will also make such nasty attacks on their opponents, that many decent people will go like "hey, I am technically on side of vaccination, but these guys are assholes; I would rather not be associated with them publicly". -- This creates the situation where you have lots of confused young people documenting the mistakes of the pro-vax side, and pointing out their horrible behavior. Much better (from the attacker's perspective) than if one side is merely wrong.

The important thing is that (to the attacker) it doesn't matter which side wins. The goal is to create conflict. If the pro-vax side wins, by doing something that will make the losing side mistrust and hate them forever, mission accomplished. A few more conflicts like this, and the society is ready for a civil war.

Now when the two sides are pro-Russia and anti-Russia, would you want to be the Russian troll assigned to write anti-Russian articles? It's a lose/lose situation, because if you are too good at doing your job, instead of a bonus you might actually get a bullet, if you boss starts suspecting that you actually mean it. But your boss is even more scared of his boss, which is why he will probably assing all trolls to write pro-Russian comments. The entire troll department will play it safe, but as a result they will be much less effective.

Re: Psychological Operations

#159

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> It's pretty obvious that Russian troll farms have been running massive psyop Alternatively, this narrative is a massive psyop.

Everyone should be sober, dispassionate, and to the extent that it's possible, take off any ideological blinders. It's clearly more likely than not that both are true.

I don't know why people should be dispassionate. Unbiased, sure. Dispassionate, not so much.

Re: Psychological Operations

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post #67

Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

How do you hire and trust people to perform PsyOps? Presumably they'd know what levers you're pulling, and they may be able to pull the same levers in YOU. Is it just a pay cheque and finding people who already believe what you believe?

In the context for this post, there is no comparable hiring process or trust factor. There is a certain level of aptitude and physical fitness required, but this job is plain and simple military service with some extra schooling on top (e.g. foreign language, parachuting, etc.)

Manipulation and influence can look very similar, and naturally skilled manipulators tend to go elsewhere (I think there's enough research about career preference and correlation of "dark triad" traits to substantiate this).

In my experience, most of the enlisted folks doing PsyOp had little idea of what it truly involved when they first began; however, the Army remains eager to redirect the passion of 20 year olds into counterinsurgency / foreign policy tactics.

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