Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad • Hacker News Board

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by rd07 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #81

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Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.

Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less wo…

I think Windows being a product of a big company also played a role. It mainly came pre-installed on most device. Because Microsoft pushes for it, and user, especially the non-technical one, won't bother to install something else on their machine. So, for most computer user, there is just no other choice.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sandGorgon » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

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https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/ Fedora 35: aarch64 DVD ISO should work. Just FYI, we run our entire production api on arm on AWS. Its pretty rock stable and mature. The stability of ARM on linux is pretty much a solved problem at this point.

Just Fedora or any aarch64 distro? I thought aarch64 meant raspberries.

well generally i recommend Fedora as being rock solid and also includes cutting edge (but not bleeding edge) linux infra.

but i suppose any aarch64 distro

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by greggsy » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

bubblethink wrote: post #90

ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

The thing with lenovo is that advertise inflated prices. Everything is 50% off in a few months around black friday. The list price is only for press releases. Besides, thinkpads are sold primarily in bulk to companies who also get the discounted rate.

The RRP is also there to appease retail partners selling direct to the public

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by NikolaNovak » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

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> Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel. Any background on this? I always assumed 16:9 became popular because of videos.

I have a MacBook Pro with 3456 × 2234 (around 16:10.5) resolution and it is perfect . I don't know why people would want laptops at 16:9 at all. I can play videos just fine on this thing and the other 95% of the time it's a better resolution for doing things like coding and spreadsheets.

>> I don't know why people would want laptops at 16:9 at all.

I don't believe almost any of the HN audience does. The vertical crampiness of almost all the laptops is what makes a second monitor practically mandatory for me.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by torgoguys » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:34 PM UTC

danmur wrote: post #75

ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

Or 3:2 even better

And old-skool 4:3 is even better (unless you use the panel for a lot of video). :)

It's a shame we're been wandering for nearly a decade, still trying and get back to what we already had.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by Hinrik » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:35 PM UTC

dasKrokodil wrote: post #144

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A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so. One more thing about display sizes and aspect ratio: Since display sizes are usually given by the length of the diagonal, those aspect ratios that are closer to a square (1:1) will have a bigger area for the same diagonal. With the same diagonal length, a 16:10 has a ~5% larger area than a 16:9, and a 4:3…

>True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so.

I don't know about you, but I don't read two pages of text at the same time.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sbarre » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:36 PM UTC

dasKrokodil wrote: post #144

bogwog wrote: post #123

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A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so. One more thing about display sizes and aspect ratio: Since display sizes are usually given by the length of the diagonal, those aspect ratios that are closer to a square (1:1) will have a bigger area for the same diagonal. With the same diagonal length, a 16:10 has a ~5% larger area than a 16:9, and a 4:3…

In most cases that I've seen, a 16:10 vs 16:9 display has the same pixel width (the 16 part) part and more vertical pixels. So you were never actually sacrificing width as you claim.

I've had 3 16:10 panels in the last 10 years and this was the case each time: 1920x1200 (vs 1920x1080), 2560x1600 (vs 2560x1440) and now a 3840x2400 (vs 3840x2160).

16:10 monitors were out of fashion for most of the last 10 years, but are making a comeback lately.. They were hard to find for a while but worth the effort imo.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sbarre » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:40 PM UTC

LoveMortuus wrote: post #132

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> A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time. A 16:10 screen is also wider than it is tall. I'm not sure if I'm being trolled. Number of usefully displayable lines is not defined by the x:y ratio. Further, any half-way decent 16:9 monitor can, in a matter of moments, become a 9:16 monitor. EDIT: I am aware we're talking about a laptop display, so…

16:10 is less wider, and thus gives you more vertical real estate. If it helps you understand better 16:16 would be a perfect square.

That's not how 16:10 monitors work. Every one that I've seen has the same pixel width as a 16:9 screen but more vertical pixels. 2560x1600 vs 2560x1440 for example, or 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080.

These are standard panel sizes. No one is making a 1728x1080 panel to get to 16:10.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by syshum » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:40 PM UTC

shusaku wrote: post #121

ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

> This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Doubtful. But they’ll make up for it by having it be on sale 24/7/365. I love my thinkpad but the buying process is awful.

Maybe on the consumer side, but the enterprise side I love them. PSRef is by far the best tool any mfg has ever made for comparing models for an enterprise selection. I am still shocked no other manufacture creates a tool.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by 3pt14159 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:42 PM UTC

olex wrote: post #99

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I have a MacBook Pro with 3456 × 2234 (around 16:10.5) resolution and it is perfect . I don't know why people would want laptops at 16:9 at all. I can play videos just fine on this thing and the other 95% of the time it's a better resolution for doing things like coding and spreadsheets.

New MBPs are exactly 16:10 for full-screen, non-"notch-aware" apps - the screen is basically 16:10 below the notch, plus the two side areas. Rather neat solution imho.

Right, but I don't even notice the notch is so small. In most cases it feels like a 16:10.5 and I'm loving it.