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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by worthless-trash »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #118
aunty_helen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

??? I absolutely love the touchpad on the Framework. I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. Honestly I don't mind tap-to-click vs. press-to-click. I can agree that the speakers aren't stellar but that's something I don't care about on a laptop since I always have…

I think the macbook ones are hot garbage compared to my lenovo. I think people get a bit brainwashed when it comes to mac hardware.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by hiimshort »

hahajk wrote: post #139
hiimshort wrote: post #125

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I've had my Framework laptop for a few months now and NixOS (GNOME desktop) has been working excellently.

Same, although I use Nixos with Pantheon WM. Since it boots to desktop in 10-15 seconds I don’t have to deal with the overnight power issues everyone complains about. And since it doesn’t run a hundred automatic background processes it’s much quicker to start working than my MBP was. Printing on the other hand…

I haven't done so yet, but I've been meaning to set up deep sleep so the machine effectively shuts down and stops drawing as much power.

> Printing on the other hand...

Oh dear. I haven't had to print with it yet, I hope it isn't too bad. My last experiences with Linux printing went well, but then again that was back when I was using Ubuntu.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by hk1337 »

m6w6 wrote: post #2

I would be really tempted, but there are still a couple things putting me off: * Intel only * Windows only ... sorry boy and mum are arguing over homework -- gotta run!

I’m with you in the “Intel Only” but not the “Windows only”. Windows is the only one you have to pay for, so it’s the only one with an option. If you don’t want Windows, then choose the “bring your own” option and download your Linux distribution.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by kalleboo »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #123
charcircuit wrote: post #117

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Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.

The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

My code is stopped inside the debugger when I've finally reproduced a bug. My wife calls for dinner. I close my laptop and stick it in a safe place where a kid won't spill something sticky on it. After dinner I open up the laptop and the debugger is right there in the same spot, I don't have to spend another 30 minutes trying to reproduce the bug.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by na85 »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #123
charcircuit wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.

The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

>What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

Developing an application in Lisp and there's all kinds of state in the REPL right now. Gotta pick kid up from preschool, just close the lid and it'll be exactly as I left it when I come home.

Have a document open in an ad-hoc fashion (i.e. it's some PDF for work, not something on my autostart list) and I get interrupted. Close lid. Document is still there when I open it again, and what's more it's open to the exact spot I stopped reading.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by na85 »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #118
aunty_helen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

??? I absolutely love the touchpad on the Framework. I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. Honestly I don't mind tap-to-click vs. press-to-click. I can agree that the speakers aren't stellar but that's something I don't care about on a laptop since I always have…

>I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available.

That's a dealbreaker for me. I'm not one of those people that carries around en external mouse and stuff. I bought a laptop for a reason. "Better than the hot garbage trackpad on my wife's Dell" is not good enough.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by kelnos »

hbgl wrote: post #158

With 12th gen Intel and Ryzen 6000 knocking on the door, it does not feel right to be pre ordering 11th gen 4c/8t Intel laptops. If I were in the market for a new laptop I would get one of the new 16:10 ThinkPads.

Yeah, I'm feeling the same. I was considering ordering one last fall, when I think it would have been reasonable to get an 11th-gen, but I couldn't justify a new laptop purchase then. Now I'd probably wait for a 12th-gen mainboard before ordering.

I'm also still not sure how I feel about the 3:2 screen. I've gotten so used to 16:9 & 16:10 that I think it'd be hard to go back to something similar to a 4:3 screen again.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by kelnos »

fbkr wrote: post #35
twblalock wrote: post #30

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This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things. AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there. I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.

Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.

More or less, yes. The different keyboard layouts is not that difficult to do. A different wifi chipset is trivial; customers can source their own from wherever they want. CPUs are a bit different, as Intel and AMD will require completely different mainboard designs. It's doable, certainly, but requires quite a bit of engineering effort, especially if you want to be able to place components and connectors (etc.) in the same places on the different boards, which is necessary for something like the Framework laptop, where they'd want to be able to allow you to put either mainboard in the same chassis.

Speaking of chassis, that makes offering different screen aspect ratios really hard, as you'll usually have a different sized/shaped chassis for a different aspect ratio. That might mean a different mainboard layout, different keyboard, different touchpad, and different battery, at least. That would vastly complicate Framework's offering, something I'm sure they're in no position to do as such a young company.

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