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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by ComradePhil »

summm wrote: post #134
jonwinstanley wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine had a similar problem in Google maps. He’d spent years adding photos and reviews and his photo views were in the millions, then Google flagged him as doing something that violated their terms. Within a week his whole account had been taken down and there’s no way to speak to a human about what happened. Never even received confirmation of which post was in violation and what the issue was. How did we…

Why would he work for free for Google in the first place?

Google makes it seem like you are doing charity and uses gamification to keep you hooked.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by gzer0 »

This is extremely concerning, frightening and downright alarming behavior by Google.

This was the final straw for me to move off of Gmail, and anything google related. Currently in the process of migrating over 500,000 emails, a small-ish YouTube channel locally backed up, and anything else I can think of.

I hope you get your items back. This is absurd. Simply absurd.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by metabagel »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #4

Thanks for the reminder. Personally I do my part to caution all of my friends and family to not host things they don't want to lose somewhere where they aren't paying the bills. It's odd that otherwise smart businesspeople think that companies will store their files forever, without being paid for it.

“ It's odd that otherwise smart businesspeople think that companies will store their files forever, without being paid for it.”

But that’s Google’s business model. The service is free.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by syshum »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #78

FYI, before you chastise the OP for not backing up, please take a minute and think about the fact that this can happen with Gmail too. Have you backed up your email? I think Google has the responsibility to make it VERY clear that you can lose access to your content without notice. I don't think users truly understand that now.

>>Have you backed up your email?

Yes...

Every piece of data I have that I care about is backed up following a 3-2-1 model

I am also in the process of moving off Gmail due to the Legacy termination.

>I don't think users truly understand that now.

In my experience user don't truly understanding anything, given that I work in data storage I take is seriously, I am also called on my people on a semi regular basis to recover from data loss because their drive crashed, or something like that. every time I attempt to educate them on low cost backup solutions to prevent it in the future, less than 1% even after suffering data loss will learn the lesson and start doing backups

That is for onPrem hardware failure. For a service like Google, facebook, Microsoft, etc they just simply do not believe they will ever lose that data.

Hell just the other say in a sysadmin forum people were debating is business even need to backup data in Office 365 because "that would be a waste of money"

People have taken the meme of "internet never forgets" far to literally

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by [deleted] »

kingcharles wrote: post #129
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking that if OP's wife or the video subjects are European then a GDPR request# might surface the data. Strikes me the videos would probably only have a delete flag set if this is recent and even after deletion from live data may exist in backups? (# AIUI companies are obliged to share with you any PII they hold that identifies you.)

I hate to be deceptive, but I was thinking that even if they are not EU residents (or residents of another entity that has similar laws, e.g. UK), then they might be able to fake residency for the purposes of using data laws to exfiltrate the videos. They might have to take the dishonesty further and say that they appear in all the videos.

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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by rareform »

gitgud wrote: post #79

I wasn't aware that unlisted videos could even receive copyright/bullying strikes, but it seems obvious now. You could easily ruin someone's YouTube channel by finding unlisted videos through the rest of the Web and reporting them, like this poor couple have found out....

yeah, I've had unlisted/private videos that are a couple years old (with the links shared with no one) get retroactive age-restriction flags or copyright flagging. I'd have to assume YT updates their algo and retroactively skims over some older back-catalog videos.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by deepspace »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #78

FYI, before you chastise the OP for not backing up, please take a minute and think about the fact that this can happen with Gmail too. Have you backed up your email? I think Google has the responsibility to make it VERY clear that you can lose access to your content without notice. I don't think users truly understand that now.

Yes, I have been backing up my email regularly for the past 25+ years, just like any other important data. I have 3-2-1 copies of everything I have ever done on a computer during that time.

I cannot understand why anyone would tolerate the risk of losing important information.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by temp8964 »

bootloop wrote: post #142
temp8964 wrote: post #132

I am confused. Don't you have to create your own videos first and then upload them to YouTube? Or is that a common practice that for people to delete their local copy of videos after they upload to YouTube? I am defenitely not blaming the person in any way. I just don't understand this behavior after have seen this for several times. Why wouldn't you keep your local copy? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Some (big) creators store all related material and the videos themselves. Others get rid of everything once the video is finished and uploaded. Edit: Of all my YT videos I wouldn't know where I have the sources stored although I never deliberately deleted them.

Is this because video files are very large and store them will be very expensive? I honestly have no idea how large they are, but I would be surprised if it will become a significant portion of the cost of a serious business.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by qmarchi »

Heyo,

First off, sorry to hear that this has happened to you. It's never the for tools to be abused like this and for support be to be so unreachable.

I've gone ahead and sent you an email so I can get some details and we can work to recover at least some of the content.

Q.

Disc: Googler, but I don't work in YouTube.

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