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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Can you use Apple products without an account? If not*, what version of Linux should I get setup with. Casual web development. I mostly use my personal machine for gaming. Edit - Typo

It's been a few years but I tried to use mac OSX without signing into an apple account and eventually I was forced to do it to get updates from the app store IIRC. So it's probably possible, but almost certainly not common or advised unfortunately.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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A lot of the replies here are recommending Ubuntu - I'm going to recommend PopOS. It's built on top of Ubuntu, but comes with a newer kernel (better new hardware compatibility), graphics drivers, and some sensible defaults. Some optimizations for laptops with graphics switching is great too.

Does it come with ads? Because that's my favourite part of Ubuntu

No, and Ubuntu hasn't included ads in like 5 years.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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I've dual-booted Linux for many years now but I can never get fully comfortable. I always get the creeping sensation that there's too many layers between what I'm seeing and what the computer is doing, like some button will just stop working and there's no way for me to ever figure out why, or I'll hit some truly baffling design choice and the only way to change it is to throw out my whole configuration and use a dif…

I feel that way after being on OSX for a year. At least on Linux you can access the magical underpinnings. OSX and Windows have all the same problems to me and far less ability to fix them.

Yep. Every OS has abstractions, but with Windows you can't see them. It works great 99.9% of the time but the 0.1% leaves you high and dry.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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but the adobes

Photoshop CC 2018 runs great in Wine, with Wacom tablet support as well. For Illustrator, use CC 2019 to get hi-def display support in the GUI. I don’t use Illustrator much though, so I can’t vouch for how well it works.

This is good to know. I still need to figure out which distribution of Linux to try out first. Having the ability to use my wacom tablet across a variety of software is a must.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

I am convinced Power Users are not the target market for Windows 11 (or maybe even windows). I mistakenly updated to it and have regretted it. Did you know they turned off animations when using Virtual Desktops [1]? A power-user feature on all the other OS' that took Microsoft till 2019 to adopt was crippled in little over 2 years after release.

[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/report-an-issue/windo...

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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“The changes will mirror the same requirements Microsoft originally added to Windows 11 Home last year, meaning you won’t be able to avoid Microsoft Accounts by creating a local user account during setup.” If I remember correctly, when you install Win11 Home, it forces you to login with a Microsoft account. But the easy workaround is to unplug the ethernet cable, windows will realize it can’t connect and the local ac…

I thought I read somewhere that they broke that workaround now.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Can you use Apple products without an account? If not*, what version of Linux should I get setup with. Casual web development. I mostly use my personal machine for gaming. Edit - Typo

I'd recommend Ubuntu also. However I can't stand their default desktop environment, so I'd either recommend Ubuntu mate, or (what I did) the latest and greatest Ubuntu, and then just sudo apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment which will give you a desktop with a start menu more akin to windows.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Literally a trap to hand over your encryption keys. Never sign into an operating system with a cloud identity. You should have stopped using windows years ago. There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work.

> There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work. While Proton is great, it helps no one to suggest it's a solution to making all games work. There are absolutely enormous multiplayer titles still unavailable on Proton, if you can't play the games your friends play who cares if 99% of the rest of the Steam library works? Again, I think Proton is great…

And yet I know gamers who have fully switched to Proton. I’m too lazy, and have a windows box reserved for games; it would be PII-free if it weren’t for the darn Microsoft account. But for some, Proton is already a better Windows.

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It appears they don't care about those people. Windows is not the product. If you are not consuming their cloud product AND providing a stream of your telemetry data for them to monetize, you are of no value to MS and so invisible.

They care a lot about those people. The USG runs billions of dollars of MS software on classified/offline networks.

I do wonder.

The Windows 11 STIG says use the Windows 10 STIG.

    https://public.cyber.mil/?s=windows+11
The Windows 10 STIG says basically fix this stuff before using.

    CAT I (High): 26 CAT II (Med): 241 CAT III (Low): 18

    https://stigviewer.com/stig/windows_10/
So it seems they have a high tolerance for shenanigans. But what will they do about the online part?
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