> The site’s now characteristic tone of performative erudition—hyperrational, dispassionate, contrarian, authoritative ... Reading this, I felt the description hit very close to home with regards to a substantive amount of discourse here. I also learned a new word!
It's very meta, because "performative erudition" could be the subtitle of The New Yorker.
The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)
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#153I've noticed that all the online spaces I enjoy visiting are heavily moderated. Whenever I get linked to "free speech" loosely-moderated platforms, I usually hit the back button pretty quick.
Do you seek the truth unconditionally, or only truth that fits within your pre-conceived notions of acceptability? Can you imagine a society where an objective truth was unacceptable, and denial of that truth was harmful to themselves or others?
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#154I mostly appreciate the mods (well, dang is the only one I've interacted with) but I'm pretty tired of being scolded for occasionally making one-sentence comments that lack substance, while in the meantime, the site tolerates people who write pages of absolutely untrue covid vax denialism but don't get any comments from the mods. At this point I'm actively looking for a replacement community that focuses much more on…
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that how the different Matrix servers work already?
Incentives! You have to listen to Nader Al-Naji explain the vision. It gives me goosebumps.
This isn't a knock on you personally, but when I come to HN for discussion, I'd like the discussion to be on HN.
Insisting that I view some YouTube (which I avoid like the plague because I hate their business model) content in order to understand your point of view, just makes me want to ignore you. Not down-vote you, just ignore you.
It sounds like you have a point of view that seems (to you at least) important. If it's that important/relevant/insightful, then please explain your point of view.
I don't know or care who "Nader Al-Naji" might be, nor am I going to jump off to another site to find out.
I want to be crystal clear about this: I'm not trying to beat up on you (andrewfromx) or anyone else. Rather, I'm interested in your point of view not that of some rando on the site of some rapacious corporation.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone that's been here since the very beginning I think that tech has begun to be responsible for a larger portion of the world as a whole and this community has moved a small amount towards that direction as a result. I distinctly remember reading articles about major world events in the beginning as well so it's not entirely new, but it has grown a little. I don't think it's a problem, and this is coming from…
As someone that's been here since the very beginning I think that tech has begun to be responsible for a larger portion of the world as a whole and this community has moved a small amount towards that direction as a result. As one of the people who thinks that more (too much more) political content has crept in here, I will say that I agree with you on the above. That is, I agree that it is becoming harder (albeit no…
Growing up in the era of peak Slashdot it was hard not to view politics through the lens of technology. There were politicians trying to take away my games, and restrict my speech, and put me in jail for downloading MP3s. Fighting those battles through the years has definitely formed my political views.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, in general "free speech" platforms seem to quickly turn into Alt-Right platforms that are, ironically, heavily moderated. (Looking at you, Voat)
Because the only people who feel the personal need for a "free speech" platform are the ones whose views are considered odious elsewhere. If people with non-"odious" views end up at such a platform, they will quickly notice the unusual concentration of "odious" views, and generally find it uncomfortable and leave. Thus there is a steady increase in the prevalence of "odious" views until they are near-universal on the…
I don't say this to excuse their actions or say that this filter is good, but that seems to be the fundamental mechanism.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mind the political discussions coming through as long as they don't dominate the front page. However, I am saddened with the diminishing engagement with actual hard tech stories (not tech opinion pieces) that reach the front page. Lately, it seems like links to stories about people doing cool software or hardware things with complete write-ups can barely muster enough upvotes to stay on the front page very lo…
Everyone wants to talk, no one wants to listen. But it’s pretty obvious on “hard tech stories” that few people have the knowledge to meaningfully contribute. As I get older, the saying “it’s better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt” resonates more and more.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, in general "free speech" platforms seem to quickly turn into Alt-Right platforms that are, ironically, heavily moderated. (Looking at you, Voat)
Isn’t this just more evidence that leftism/liberalism require censorship to exist, as they cannot survive in a free market of ideas?
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is because Reddit was the original free speech platform, and you could find anything from any or no political leaning. Then they dropped free speech and kicked off right leaning content. So of course the alternatives quickly go right. If they had kicked off left wing content all of the free speech sites would be left, and you couldn't talk about your favorite TV show without going into the relative representatio…
Pretty sure right-leaning content per se is still available on reddit and what's actually banned is outright Nazism, racism, violence, etc. Lefty content featuring coordinated politcal violence would also get banned, if it existed.
And that last part is the entire point: There simply is no mainstream-relevant occurency of left-wing terrorism and murders any more in the Western world. The most relevant militant group was the German RAF, which has all but dissolved in the early 90s (there are three still on the run and occasionally robbing a bank but that's it). In contrast, murders and other organized violence and terrorism based on right-wing ideology is shockingly commonplace.
With online-based hate speech, it is just the same matter, only a different medium - and there is so much more content that draws in right-wing hate speech (such as anti-immigration stuff, antisemitism, Islamophobia and LGBT hate) than anything that inspires left-wing hate speech. The only thing that comes close to hate speech from the left wing are the "eat the rich" slogan and Stalin/Gulag memes, and that's it.
As a result, it is obvious from the numbers that the right wing will always complain about "we are getting censored and the lefties are not!!!"... well, duh, how about if the complainers would stop doing the things they get moderated for?!