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15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ericd »

arcticbull wrote: post #146
ericd wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Some” electric cars? They made roughly 1 million of them this past year, 80% more than the previous year.

Absolutely, about 10% of the number that Toyota makes every year - a company valued at $300B (vs. Tesla's $900B). They're cool cars, when they're not trying to murder. Electric cars aren't a step-change for humanity. They're an incremental improvement. Especially at the moment when a $20,000 battery replacement awaits Tesla owners at the 8 year mark - and in places that are primarily coal-powered, the CO2 break-even…

Good thing power isn’t primarily coal powered in most of the US ;-) In CA, that’s a total non-issue, for example.

No argument that their valuation has gotten way ahead of where they are, but the thesis is probably that it doesn’t take too many years of doublings to 10x, and companies that appear likely to decline take a significant discount to even what their current production would imply, because shareholdings are a claim on future earnings, not just where they are. Toyota really whiffed with its focus on hydrogen, frankly.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ganzuul »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #14
Computeiful wrote: post #9

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

> Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe. Wait: the guy tortures (or pays for the torture of) intelligent life for literally zero benefit and your conclusion is that his trial timeline isn't realistic? I actually lol'd Self-crashing cars, science-blocking satellites, Ativan tweets, and now sadism to primates: what more evidence do we need that what this person requires -- in the most charitable po…

We are 2 minutes to midnight not just of our own causing but of the natural cycles of the Earth, the sun, and in fact the galaxy. Those who fight for survival are the fittest to do so, with all that this implies, and we are lucky it's not that Adolf guy from the 40s who is preparing to send people to Mars.

On Earth moral conduct is often only a luxury. If the risk assessment conducted by the global survivalists is correct, then in this case we could not afford morals. This is the diabolic equation which structures the lives of the elite.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ganzuul »

gherkinnn wrote: post #44
Computeiful wrote: post #9

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

According to 2018, Tesla trucks should be in production last year. He’s a well of stupid ideas and false promises. Trucks, Cybertrucks, FSD, robots, tunnels, going to Mars in 2025, using Dogecoin for interstellar purchases, uploading our brains and sending that in to space. The list is endless.

If you have ever tried to bring an idea to reality before, you know very well that it is hard to predict if your idea is going to be stupid or not in advance.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ericd »

ashwagary wrote: post #144
ericd wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They hadn’t even gotten the hand-built roadster working properly before he took over (iirc the two speed transmission was still shredding itself before they switched to single speed), let alone launching the Model S, X, 3, Y, and then scaling up the manufacturing (the real hard part). Credit to them for the idea and the initial prototypes - the idea that EVs could not only be decent cars that people could stomach…

Easy to build a company out of a genius product/IP some other intelligent team built. I grant that Elon is a decent salesman (even though all the false promises are chipping away at that title), I haven't seen proof of much else.

>Easy to build a company out of a genius product/IP some other intelligent team built.

Not at all true, especially when it comes to heavy manufacturing in a very well established industry. And the vast majority of the significant R&D came after Musk took over.

You can give him credit for pulling off some amazing feats and still think he's an asshole, those aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by viczsaszbo »

Computeiful wrote: post #9

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

The report is about research done 3 years before the Neuralink pig demo.

[0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1htsprat2iup04/2022-02-10%20PCRM%...

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ashwagary »

ericd wrote: post #154
ashwagary wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy to build a company out of a genius product/IP some other intelligent team built. I grant that Elon is a decent salesman (even though all the false promises are chipping away at that title), I haven't seen proof of much else.

>Easy to build a company out of a genius product/IP some other intelligent team built. Not at all true, especially when it comes to heavy manufacturing in a very well established industry. And the vast majority of the significant R&D came after Musk took over. You can give him credit for pulling off some amazing feats and still think he's an asshole, those aren't mutually exclusive.

>And the vast majority of the significant R&D came after Musk took over.

I dont agree with this opinion. I think the most "significant" R&D was done by the original founders judging by their claimed timeline of how the product was developed.

We can agree to disagree.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by imdsm »

sterlind wrote: post #121
austinjp wrote: post #87

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Out of genuine curiosity, without wishing to seem challenging, and appreciating that engaging in lengthy conversation online might be difficult for you... I wonder if other technologies might come to market quicker. Frankly, I wonder if neuralink will come to market at all, and how affordable and accessible it will be. I can't imagine someone without the use of their limbs in a developing nation benefiting from neura…

oh, I definitely have no loyalty to Neuralink. I'd particularly like it if something like Open Water, a non-invasive IR refraction imager, would succeed. Implants sound dangerous, difficult to maintain and intractable to upgrade. And accessibility tech tends to be crappy and massively overpriced unless it's marketed to able-bodied users as well. My eye tracker was $200, because it's for "gamers", while the eye tracke…

My response to this is a few days late. I thought to check my replies after reading the recent lack of notifications thread. And I had a thought. As you say, implants sound dangerous and hard to maintain but also, intractable. I wonder if a solution may be to have a client/server approach.

When I've used arduinos in the past (and it has been some years since I've had the time to tinker with them), I remember writing some software to act as a client on the arduino, that would receive commands and pass back telemetry to a raspberry pi. I wonder if the same style implant could work. Something to handle IO but which relied on an external, upgradable unit for processing?

Just a random thought. Hope that your journey to handsfree programming goes as well as it can.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by imdsm »

sterlind wrote: post #122
hughrr wrote: post #88

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But are you comfortable torturing other entities for your personal gain? That’s pretty much what this comes down to.

I'm not sure. if I need it to survive? yeah, probably. I'm vegetarian but I'd kill animals if the alternative were starving. all the meds I take were tested on animals, some of them probably primates. if there's an alternative that's a bit crappier but pretty usable? then I'd choose that. if the alternative only lets me eke out a meager existence, dependent on help and unable to work? I'd probably still go with what…

I think this makes you an honest person.

I imagine most people wouldn't admit to it, but when it came down to it, would go the same way. Hunger and survival changes people.

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