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dekhn wrote: post #134
oxfordmale wrote: post #48

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I honestly don't care if my politicians have parties during covid. that seems like a really weird thing to complain about.

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Post by haswell »

heurisko wrote: post #127
chriswarbo wrote: post #120

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> I was at the pool this summer and overheard this 15 year old boy ask (and then nag) a 16 year old girl what her onlyfans was bc she admitted to havi g one underage. > What we've done to ourselves as a society in this regard is pathetic. I fail to see how that's substantively different/worse than the cat-calling, profanities and other verbal abuse that women and girls have unfortunately suffered throughout history;…

> I fail to see how that's substantively different/worse than the cat-calling, profanities and other verbal abuse that women and girls have unfortunately suffered throughout history; often out of sight, and hence less amenable to third-party anecdotes. Just because you perceive a problem as being less worse than another problem, doesn't mean its not a problem. I think it should be normalized to not give children pers…

> I think it should be normalized to not give children personal devices capable of accessing the web until they are 16

But do you think the government should step in and enforce such a limitation?

As a counter example, I grew up in a repressive, abusive environment. My access to the Internet at that age was a lifeline. It helped me understand the real world, form deep and lasting friendships with people from diverse backgrounds with opinions I had never been exposed to, and eventually helped me escape my environment.

While I acknowledge that the Internet has evolved since then, and more care is needed at that age, I see a lot of opinions that all seem based on the premise of a perfect childhood. Good parents who are actually involved and are not harming their children. Parents who themselves have a healthy outlook on all of this.

Don’t get me wrong, I know such parents exist. But where they exist, this is a self solving problem. Because good parents will manage their children’s access and help them navigate the Internet safely.

When bad parents do not, a government entity doing it for them can only further exacerbate the situations of those who rely on that phone to have some hope of a normal life.

That’s not a silver bullet either.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by mftrhu »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133
kelseyfrog wrote: post #132

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Help me understand. Are you saying we would be better off if there were fewer trans people?

A growing population who needs surgery and psychiatric care is a problem, yes. Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either. So yeah. I don't see this population growing as a good thing for anyone. Im not advocating eradication of them or anything negative. But I do think when we have kids who trend towards narcissistic personality disorder, tha…

> Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either.

Bold assertion. What are you basing it on, the PIDOOMA institute report?

> Trans culture, at least in part and mostly why it's slanted so far MtF is because autism affects men more than women and they internalized the porn differently in that they'd just tther be the women seen in the porn.

> Trans and Incel culture are two sides of the same coin Imho.

No, you just have no bloody idea what you are talking about, and are blindly parroting talking points that you decided sounded right: you started out with a falsehood, followed by a bunch of not even wrong assertions, throwing in a couple of articles - very loosely related to at most one of your assertions - to give them the appearance of respectability.

> Why do you think trans people call people bigots for not wanting to sleep with them.?

If you simply cannot control your need to engage in culture war bullshit - targeting an already extremely victimized minority to do so - could you kindly do so in a less boring manner?

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by dekhn »

_-david-_ wrote: post #150
dekhn wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't care if my politicians have parties during covid. that seems like a really weird thing to complain about.

I don't think anybody actually cares the politicians have a party. The average person cares that politicians didn't follow the rules they passed while enforcing / attempting to enforce the rules on the average Joe.

Right answer! This is about signalling more than it's about the actual health details and people (rightfully?) are unhappy because leaders who make rules should follow them (right....?)

Frankly I think our politicians deserve a break and should be able to have a party to blow off steam once in a while, and I tolerate fairly modest violations of the lockdown policy.

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Post by irthomasthomas »

notch656a wrote: post #147
irthomasthomas wrote: post #145

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What does your first point have to do with the second? Boris did a bad thing, so now everyone has to give Facebook their credit card? I don't get it.

Seems pretty clear to me. Boris did something that offended a certain segment, so he makes amends by creating the perception he is going to do something that segment approves of. At least that seems to be what is implied. The noted point here is it likely won't happen, but the underlying goal of creating such perception may be achieved.

I think it's more likely that Facebook is pushing this, as a means to get users to register their card info.

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Post by gcthomas »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #146
toyg wrote: post #63

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It's good not to underestimate the situation though - few things are as dangerous as a desperate government. If they can start wars to divert attention, they can certainly force bad laws. This goes double in the UK, where the executive is effectively all-powerful in practice since the Blair reforms.

The Royal Fam still screen every bill before it is proposed.

The Queen rubber stamps everything that comes from parliament - no screening happens, ever. Unfortunately.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

mftrhu wrote: post #153
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A growing population who needs surgery and psychiatric care is a problem, yes. Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either. So yeah. I don't see this population growing as a good thing for anyone. Im not advocating eradication of them or anything negative. But I do think when we have kids who trend towards narcissistic personality disorder, tha…

> Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either. Bold assertion. What are you basing it on, the PIDOOMA institute report? > Trans culture, at least in part and mostly why it's slanted so far MtF is because autism affects men more than women and they internalized the porn differently in that they'd just tther be the women seen in the porn. > Trans…

I'm on the fence on whether luring people like this out with "tell me more(about your incredibly naive and bigoted takes)" is worth it. On one hand they are clearly bursting at the seams with garbage and cannot hold back at the opportunity to implicate themselves. Never stop an opponent from making an error. On the other hand, it has the potential for readers to mistake their drivel for substantive discourse.

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Post by notch656a »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #155
notch656a wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty clear to me. Boris did something that offended a certain segment, so he makes amends by creating the perception he is going to do something that segment approves of. At least that seems to be what is implied. The noted point here is it likely won't happen, but the underlying goal of creating such perception may be achieved.

I think it's more likely that Facebook is pushing this, as a means to get users to register their card info.

Well I'm not the one who made that assertion, I was just explaining what OP had wrote since the person above me didn't understand. I didn't mean to imply it was my opinion nor that it was likely.

Facebook still needs government's help to implement it, so there must be something in it for representatives if it's going to make it through. Seems doubtful Facebook can possibly pass a law on its own. And if Facebook wants to, they can easily require credit card without any law being passed; it's not illegal to require credit card to become a member of a website.

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Post by notch656a »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #157
mftrhu wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either. Bold assertion. What are you basing it on, the PIDOOMA institute report? > Trans culture, at least in part and mostly why it's slanted so far MtF is because autism affects men more than women and they internalized the porn differently in that they'd just tther be the women seen in the porn. > Trans…

I'm on the fence on whether luring people like this out with "tell me more(about your incredibly naive and bigoted takes)" is worth it. On one hand they are clearly bursting at the seams with garbage and cannot hold back at the opportunity to implicate themselves. Never stop an opponent from making an error. On the other hand, it has the potential for readers to mistake their drivel for substantive discourse.

And thus your disingenuous Socratic method is revealed as not genuine curiosity but rather a veiled method of (in your own words) "luring people."

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Post by kelseyfrog »

notch656a wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the fence on whether luring people like this out with "tell me more(about your incredibly naive and bigoted takes)" is worth it. On one hand they are clearly bursting at the seams with garbage and cannot hold back at the opportunity to implicate themselves. Never stop an opponent from making an error. On the other hand, it has the potential for readers to mistake their drivel for substantive discourse.

And thus your disingenuous Socratic method is revealed as not genuine curiosity but rather a veiled method of (in your own words) "luring people."

I don't owe you (nor anyone) genuine Socratic methodology. This is the internet after all. :) I will happily guide people into earnestly saying terrible things and then point it out. No one is being forced to say anything they don't believe.
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