Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by throwoutway » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

r0m4n0 wrote: post #124

criddell wrote: post #101

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If this isn't a lie and Apple flipping that switch cost Facebook $10bn, then that tells me my personal information is worth a lot. What I was getting from Facebook in exchange for my data was too little. I use Google a lot more than Facebook and frankly what I get from them in exchange for my data is probably also way too little. I wish there was some type of consumer union where we could negotiate with these compani…

How do you know what you are getting from them is too little until the service itself is gone? I suppose you can estimate but I feel like without targeted advertising the web would be a dark place. Personally I don’t pay for much (prime, Netflix, NY Times) and expect a lot. The people I know are the same

> I suppose you can estimate but I feel like without targeted advertising the web would be a dark place.

Is this sarcasm? The web is a dark place because of targeted advertisement. I’d rather pay than be tracked and my data sold through bidding processes.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by sporkland » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #99

krono wrote: post #93

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Yes to everything, but what even is a metaverse? I still have no idea.

It's the same thing the marvelverse is... a way of referring to all of facebook's products. They're just trying to generate some hype and make their products look more forward thinking.. even though they're exactly the same as always.

Metaverse is a concept originally popularized by Neal Stephenson in his book snowcrash.

It's an online VR based world that is very cool and fun and most people spend there times there instead of the real world.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by sfe22 » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

sfe22 wrote: post #150

pnutjam wrote: post #148

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Everyone who doesn't vote and ignores their role in Democracy let's this happen. The president matters much less then the Mayor or the Governor.

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There is no democracy other than direct democracy. If you cant fire your government this afternoon, they own you, not the other way around.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by hotpotamus » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:53 PM UTC

isodev wrote: post #32

All Apple did was give users the choice. Users choosing to deny Facebook the permission to share their data? That's entirely on Facebook.

I see this in the thread but I have to say that I disagree a bit. I'm certainly glad Apple gave users a choice, but you have to consider "the tyranny of the default" which is a great phrase I think. Most people will simply use the default option, so Apple's choice of default says something.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by visarga » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:54 PM UTC

r0m4n0 wrote: post #124

criddell wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this isn't a lie and Apple flipping that switch cost Facebook $10bn, then that tells me my personal information is worth a lot. What I was getting from Facebook in exchange for my data was too little. I use Google a lot more than Facebook and frankly what I get from them in exchange for my data is probably also way too little. I wish there was some type of consumer union where we could negotiate with these compani…

How do you know what you are getting from them is too little until the service itself is gone? I suppose you can estimate but I feel like without targeted advertising the web would be a dark place. Personally I don’t pay for much (prime, Netflix, NY Times) and expect a lot. The people I know are the same

This comes up again and again. People will continue creating and posting even without ad money. They will post for art, for study, hobbies, social issues or just to organize events. There are also those who publish free content and make a profit on something related. That's how the good old internet was working back in the day.

The problem with current internet is that everyone is trying to get the ad money so they don't really align their interests with us who want quality content.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by cjbgkagh » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

eric4smith wrote: post #91

Lies. Don’t you all see it? Facebook has been declining over the past year and this is a convenient way to blame someone - anyone. Let’s face it, what are your friends all using now? That’s right - video - YouTube and TikTok. Facebook had no answer for video and thus lost a lot of eyeballs. Instagram is a poor clone of TikTok and most people just repost their popular TikTok videos on Instagram reels anyway - hardly a…

Facebook videos are super annoying. Simple bait stretched out just long enough to get ads in the middle. Even if a video looks interesting I have to first ask myself if it’s worth 2.5 minutes of fluff and a 10 second ad for only a few seconds of payoff. Facebook has incentivized this behavior to the point I now simply refuse to click on their videos.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by threeseed » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #104

eric4smith wrote: post #91

Lies. Don’t you all see it? Facebook has been declining over the past year and this is a convenient way to blame someone - anyone. Let’s face it, what are your friends all using now? That’s right - video - YouTube and TikTok. Facebook had no answer for video and thus lost a lot of eyeballs. Instagram is a poor clone of TikTok and most people just repost their popular TikTok videos on Instagram reels anyway - hardly a…

I don’t see a lot TikTok type video on any of the channels I watch on YouTube.

It really depends on the channel and style of content.

I don't see it on any of the news or review channels but more common on the food, instructional etc ones.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by missedthecue » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #46

hollowdene wrote: post #39

There's a whole ecosystem of businesses that rely on Facebook that are going to start hurting a lot over the next few years. I used to work at a publisher where 80% of their website traffic came from Facebook. They haven't seen audience growth in years and their audience is skewing older and older, which is bad for their advertising business Businesses like that are going to get steadily squeezed both by Facebook's d…

Good riddance? People will keep finding & buying things they need. If nobody’s buying anything from these businesses without invasive advertising & tracking then maybe whatever goods they were selling aren’t actually necessary? Of course there is nuance and edge cases to this, but in general I wouldn’t be surprised if society and the planet was better off once we stop producing useless garbage.

I don't know... I've seen some interesting products thanks to Facebook that I wouldn't have otherwise.

Life would be pretty boring if we all only bought what we need.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by notriddle » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

zwirbl wrote: post #113

eric4smith wrote: post #110

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I never said they repost to YouTube

The comment is not about repost, it's about the short video, and I also don't see much of it on yt

The YouTube recommendation algorithm prefers longer videos than that. It is specifically trained to optimize for “watch minutes,” and longer videos seem more effective than extremely short ones.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Post by hotpotamus » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #12

tromp wrote: post #10

> But last year, citing privacy concerns, Apple turned off IDFA by default and forced apps to ask people if they want to be tracked. It seems most do not: a study in December by AppsFlyer, an ad-tech company, suggested that 54% of Apple users who saw the prompt opted out. Hard to believe that nearly half of all people is ok with being tracked...

I believe that most people live relatively uneventful lives, and truly believe that they have nothing to hide from anyone, and resultantly do not value their own privacy whatsoever. The loss of privacy from surveillance capitalism does not bother them at all, and practically it is all upside, because they lost nothing of value to themselves. It does not enter their minds that mass abandonment of privacy means that it…

The best comeback I've heard to that sentiment is, "would you like a camera in your bathroom?". And then the other night I was talking to my aunt and she mentioned that she has an Alexa in the bathroom so she can listen to music and I realized it might not be as good a retort as I thought.