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Because a market is suddenly opened for business, alternative payment processors can now start offering systems that take care of this, and with different terms from Apple's. You wouldn't have to handle all of it yourself, you could simply sign on with one that provides you with service you like. This is the free market competition that tech is supposedly in favor of.

And these services would all take a 15-30% cut. It wouldn't be profitable otherwise.

The 15% pay cut is an industry convention, but is that actually justified by any financial reasoning? With actual competition in this space, business models can be discovered that could potentially lower costs. Not to mention, given the VC effect, there will likely be newcomers that try to undercut Apple/Google and each other with lower prices by burning investor capital, for a time.

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As long as this does not cause an exodus from the App Store and I am forced to start paying for apps directly, I am fine with this. But a strong benefit to the App Store for me is being able to manage and cancel my subscriptions from a central place. No going through 5 screens, no being forced to call, no any of that crap. I can already see apps refusing to carry through the App Store so they can control more, and I…

> But a strong benefit to the App Store for me is being able to manage and cancel my subscriptions from a central place. No going through 5 screens, no being forced to call, no any of that crap.

If it's as strong a benefit as you believe then developers will keep offering it.

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Android is in fact the dominant platform by number of users, and has cool stuff like cloud gaming apps that iOS does not. There are also other aspects of the iPhone that many people prefer over Android phones, e.g. hardware features and quality. The point about sandboxing is relevant because many people conflate sandboxing protections with the protections offered by App Review, and thus are afraid that non-App Store…

> afraid that non-App Store apps will be able to install viruses or brick their devices - which isn't the case.

It absolutely is the case.

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As long as this does not cause an exodus from the App Store and I am forced to start paying for apps directly, I am fine with this. But a strong benefit to the App Store for me is being able to manage and cancel my subscriptions from a central place. No going through 5 screens, no being forced to call, no any of that crap. I can already see apps refusing to carry through the App Store so they can control more, and I…

Android offers sideloading and third-party app stores (with minor limitations), yet the vast majority of users do not sideload Android apps. I remember reading it's about 1 in 200 who does, which I found surprisingly small. Commercial apps that aren't in Google's store usually want to do something against Google's rules - sometimes for good reasons, sometimes not.

I don't think you'll find many apps jumping ship entirely. They might offer lower prices elsewhere.

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Cloud gaming exists on iOS as well. And is just as insignificant there as it is on other platforms. And you are being disingenuous by deliberately ignoring the manual checks that Apple's review team does to prevent malicious apps from being disseminated. I work for a bank and my Mac laptop has 6 apps pre-installed designed purely to prevent malware/viruses. The same will unquestionably be needed on iOS for those usin…

Macs offer the option to run apps without any sandboxing whatsoever – meaning an app can run totally unrestricted and read, modify, or delete any file of any other app, including most system files. We’re not asking for that on iOS. So there’s no reason to think you’ll ever need "6 apps pre-installed designed purely to prevent malware/viruses” on your phone.

You seem to be engaging in magical thinking by imagining that a sandbox can prevent all malware.

No serious security researcher would support this claim.

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Android is in fact the dominant platform by number of users, and has cool stuff like cloud gaming apps that iOS does not. There are also other aspects of the iPhone that many people prefer over Android phones, e.g. hardware features and quality. The point about sandboxing is relevant because many people conflate sandboxing protections with the protections offered by App Review, and thus are afraid that non-App Store…

This is Hacker news, everyone reading this should be able to hack up something of personal use on their phone.

And they can. Nothing prevents that. If you think it does, you’ve been lied to.

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> If there was a load of cool software that Apple was preventing from coming into existence, Android would be the dominant platform by now, because it would have all the cool stuff. A mobile application that can't be shipped on iOS has a much lower total addressable market, which potentially makes it so that it isn't a commercially-viable undertaking for the developer. When I was working in the mobile space, I saw mo…

Perhaps you can name one such great idea.

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That is rather reductionist. Users care about lots of things including the hardware itself, the camera, battery life, etc...

Sure, but that’s a matter of competition. Google and Samsung both have the resources to compete with Apple in those areas.
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