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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by chroem- »

nitwit005 wrote: post #147
chroem- wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the messsage being blasted at max volume by CNN, NYT, WaPo, and the rest. They were outraged when the capitol police responded to far left insurrectionists setting the national mall on fire. So yes, it is safe to say that was a mainstream viewpoint.

Conservative news sources put out insane stuff all the time. Do all Conservatives believe all of it? It's not odd to publish editorials from activists when a bunch of protests are going on. That doesn't mean everyone is on board.

It was live coverage on major network television.

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Post by refurb »

msie wrote: post #20
BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #10

The money should first go to Ottawa residents besieged and subjected to 24 hour honking, diesel fumes and noise from engines running through the night. Then there's revenue loss for the businesses forced to shut down and wage loss for their employees. Class Action Suit could rightfully clean out the GoFundMe.

Also the soup kitchen harrassed by the protesters for food.

“Allegedly”

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Post by ipaddr »

BizarroLand wrote: post #133
ipaddr wrote: post #104

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There are many people of different colours at the protests. Do you paint them as nazi because someone had a flag? I saw a flag from Norway, is Norway suddenly behind this?

If you're a member of a group and that group pulls out a Nazi flag, do you leave the group or do you expect random passers-by to think for a moment that maybe you aren't a Nazi sympathizer? "Oh, everyone knows ipaddr! He hangs out with a bunch of Nazis that protest to entrench "born white" as the de facto ruling class of the country, kill all the gays and trans people, and to have two separate sets of laws, one that…

I wouldn't assume someone carrying a Nazi flag means all of those things. I wouldn't assume everyone was gay or supported gay rights if someone held a rainbow flag. I might assume the person holding the flag has support for the flag but it's not necessarily true.

If the Nazi flag had Justin Trudeau's face on it I would instantly get the message that Trudeau is a Nazi not support for a group from a foreign country in the 1930s.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by hajile »

BizarroLand wrote: post #138
_-david-_ wrote: post #137

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What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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The ACLU rather famously defended the nazi rights to free speech. Are they evil?

The paradox of tolerance is just an excuse to oppress the people you disagree with. Actual nazis are a minute fraction of the population. People see the idiocy and point it out.

Meanwhile, Communism has killed a couple hundred million people (vs 6 million for the nazis) and you can see tons of communist flags at any of the recent left-leaning protests.

The tolerance paradox doesn’t get even the thought of a mention when this happens. It’s just a tool of ideologically driven sophists.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by ipaddr »

BizarroLand wrote: post #135
ipaddr wrote: post #30

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You realize that without that pipeline they ship it by truck which is much worse for the environment. Without demand it wouldn't be sold to the US.

Yeah, but general damage to the environment is better than destroying a specific group of people's homeland. Oil pipelines leak frequently. An oil leak in some tribal lands could poison the water and make the tribal lands unlivable for years. Why is that less of a concern than the environment as a whole? It's no more right to justify that than it would be to justify putting all of the country's debt on a single perso…

It adds a new risk that a pipeline could become damaged which could leak into the environment which could hurt land owned by one Indian tribe.

So we bring in huge ships with oil from the middle east that often run into trouble and spill into the ocean. The money we send allows dictators to force millions into slavery and prevents women from having basic human rights.

There are many reasons why a pipeline was preferable to the status quo

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

freeone3000 wrote: post #95
SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW wrote: post #91

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give us a source on that 80% truckers are protesting the mandates so people can do what they want live or die on their own terms thats what your last sentence is saying then so you agree?

Source: https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2022-01-14/montreal/le-dele... And no, I don't agree. I'm for a universal vaccination mandate. The government isn't, however. The spokeswoman talking to CBC actually wouldn't answer any questions about their protest or goals, so all I have is speculation as to what they actually want.

article is in french and translated it says "28% of all our available beds that are currently occupied by COVlD patients."

it says reducing some other activities to help with covid but not 80% of resources going to it

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

DonHopkins wrote: post #118
colpabar wrote: post #110

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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

Are you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?

this isnt a war against the nazis

all modern causes are normal people on both sides with a few crazies because thats how populations work

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Post by BizarroLand »

ipaddr wrote: post #155
BizarroLand wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but general damage to the environment is better than destroying a specific group of people's homeland. Oil pipelines leak frequently. An oil leak in some tribal lands could poison the water and make the tribal lands unlivable for years. Why is that less of a concern than the environment as a whole? It's no more right to justify that than it would be to justify putting all of the country's debt on a single perso…

It adds a new risk that a pipeline could become damaged which could leak into the environment which could hurt land owned by one Indian tribe. So we bring in huge ships with oil from the middle east that often run into trouble and spill into the ocean. The money we send allows dictators to force millions into slavery and prevents women from having basic human rights. There are many reasons why a pipeline was preferab…

We could dig a canal from South Carolina to Oregon so that ships can travel from China to the East Coast of America with a minimum of detour and save hundred of thousands if not millions of gallons of ship fuel every year. That's more environmental savings right there.

It would also create millions of American jobs and pour trillions into the economy with the increase in speed and quantity of shipping that can arrive for distribution, and curtail piracy around the Horn of Africa.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

BizarroLand wrote: post #138
_-david-_ wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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are you going to keep that same energy next time some dude walks in with a nazi flag at every single protest you care about?

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

BizarroLand wrote: post #129
causality0 wrote: post #61

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It baffles me why people continue to judge movements they don't like based on their worst members and movements they do like based on their best intentions. I don't agree with their position but most of the truckers aren't Nazis any more than most BLM participants were looters.

If the group you're in pulls out Nazi flags and you don't leave the group, then you're endorsing Nazism the same as if your group starts to break into a house and you don't leave the group then you're an accessory to breaking into a house. It's very basic stuff here.

who said they were in the group? if you keep seeing nazis everywhere than maybe you're the one with the problem?
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