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U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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This has happened in my wife's rather staid manufacturing industry. Many plants in the US have no on-site engineers. The "engineering" design is performed by remote fresh-outs at the exurban headquarters, and a lot of that work is simply regurgitating the specs from the equipment manufacturers. Who quite rightly charge exorbitantly to have their own engineers perform the inevitable changes that would be nearly trivia…

The ERP that my company uses is proprietary and they charge large sums of money to make custom changes. I am an in house developer that has gotten to know the database backing the ERP and have extrapolated functionality based on stored procedures and table schemas. The work I do would cost my company much more than my salary and I build interfaces that connect to marketplaces or marketplace API aggregators such as Ch…

Hmm, so 99% of the value you create is being skimmed off by the company's shareholders and management? Have you thought about trying to renegotiate to a more equitable split, like 10%/90% or 50%/50% instead of 1%/99%? Or is that impossible because you're in a very weak bargaining position, like a migrant cannery worker?

That seems like a major reason people might quit jobs like yours and go work for ERP vendors or other outsourced vendors: even if they create less value, they are in a better bargaining position and so they can capture maybe 5% or 10% or 30% of the value they create instead of less than 1%.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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That is great! Latin american are still suspiciously uncommon in tech so there is definitely a neglected talent pool. That illustrates one of the few good traits of capitalism: discrimination pushing you to miss on good candidates (women, people of color, LGBTQ+ people, etc) is a drop in profit that can be exploited by other companies and that, thus, should disapear with time (at least in theory, in practice not all…

If your hypothesis was true then we'd see all the DEI initiatives and blatantly illegal diversity platforms like Canvas [1] have paid off by now. But that isn't the case.

[1]: https://www.canvas.com/

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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The headline says "pillaging," which is a kind of stealing by force. But actually (as the less editorialized HN headline says) what the US companies are doing is hiring Latin America's tech talent, paying a fair price instead of the shitty prices Latin American companies are used to paying. Unsurprisingly these companies think of Latin American developers as their property, so they see it as "pillaging". Because I'm…

That's part and parcel of deep, amalgamated, problems our countries suffer from. I receive in crypto, live in south america and still sleep worry-free. I just do a good job and happen to heap benefits from all this shit we're immersed in (ridiculous low prices for everything) and from working for a rich country. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, no matter how deep I look. I don't even worry about how my countrymen see this, I simply don't have a reason to tell them. Creating reliable and safe systems is the one talent I have, I might as well concentrate on that and leave political issues to those capable of grasping them.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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The headline says "pillaging," which is a kind of stealing by force. But actually (as the less editorialized HN headline says) what the US companies are doing is hiring Latin America's tech talent, paying a fair price instead of the shitty prices Latin American companies are used to paying. Unsurprisingly these companies think of Latin American developers as their property, so they see it as "pillaging". Because I'm…

>the belief that anyone who is rich got that way by screwing over other people Is this a symptom/cause of the crab-bucket mentality? It is here in Uruguay, as well, and I hold it myself, to my own detriment. Is there a name for this? I want to read about it and see if I can change my mind, grow a bit. Thank you

It’s interrelated. It’s part resentment, part mediocrity, part laziness.

If the only way the rich got rich is by screwing over people, then I’m justified in not working hard, not being ingenuous, not being diligent because what good does it make anyway.

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I worked as a software developer in one company in Brazil and in three American companies. The skill gap was non-existent. I could see the same level of talent in both places.

What kind of companies in Brazil though? I feel like the level of brazilian engineers outside high growth tech companies is very low. Most of them will literally fail "Fizz-Buzz" style coding tests. Good devs are either making a very good salary in Brazil (30-50k USD) or 2-3X that working remotely for an American company

Most American engineers (even specifically programmers) fail FizzBuzz-style coding tests, too, if you go by job interview candidates. That's why FizzBuzz exists.

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Is anyone here concerned about an eventual "great salary reset" driven by remote work? Companies don't need to cover Bay Area CoL because they can get people from the midwest to do the work, so avg salaries go down. Then, they can get Canadians to do the work, avg salaries go down again. Then, they'll get Chilean software engineers to do the work, and avg salaries go down even more. In the short term, we're having a…

While having more supply will definitely lower rates, I think there has been a lot of pushback on lowering salaries for people who decide to move to lower col areas. Enough pushback that I have heard of several big companies reversing that policy.

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And I worked for a company where it worked beautifully; the remote folks (who were very carefully picked) meshed perfectly with the team (and better than many of the native folks). It's an eternal topic on HN of course. Whether it works or not seems to depend on multiple factors (not simply language issues, or remote versus local), in my view.

Yeah, several things my (former) company did that made it worse: - Not consult with existing employees before making this decision to see if we were on board. - Not hire individually, instead acquire an entire company. - Said company was struggling financially (which made it a "good deal").

So this is very, very different and incomparable situation than presented in the article or discussed in the comments. The same issues could present if you bought incompetent company in the US.

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The headline says "pillaging," which is a kind of stealing by force. But actually (as the less editorialized HN headline says) what the US companies are doing is hiring Latin America's tech talent, paying a fair price instead of the shitty prices Latin American companies are used to paying. Unsurprisingly these companies think of Latin American developers as their property, so they see it as "pillaging". Because I'm…

That's part and parcel of deep, amalgamated, problems our countries suffer from. I receive in crypto, live in south america and still sleep worry-free. I just do a good job and happen to heap benefits from all this shit we're immersed in (ridiculous low prices for everything) and from working for a rich country. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, no matter how deep I look. I don't even worry about how my cou…

What country, if you don't mind asking? Do a lot of other people there also get paid in cryptocurrency?

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Reminder, every “talent shortage” is actually a wage shortage. Double those salaries and you’ll find plenty of talent.

Not neccessarily. Say there's 3 million competent senior software engineers in the US, and 75% of them are already working as senior SWEs (the remaining 25% are in early retirement or have switched professions). The best that doubling wages in short term can accomplish is makes those 25% of people move back to the profession. As for people who don't know how to code retraining to be SWEs - since becoming a "senior so…

Believe me you start paying those guys 800k a year they’ll wait a few more years before retiring.

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Universities today seem to be focusing on quantity of education not quality There goal is to get as much student loan money that they can, they do not seem to care about the quality of education the students are getting This goes for all levels of universities, and all degree programs.

Universities were never job training programs, their product has always been the right to engage in class signaling. By paying the university a pile of money you signified to potential employers (and everyone else) that you were a member of at least the upper middle class, with the financial resources (and sometimes family connections) to support making those payments of time and money. Not having that signifier was…

I agree with all of that....
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