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Post by lotsofpulp »

danaris wrote: post #93
lotsofpulp wrote: post #85

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And IBM lost that status after they decided to tank the relative quality of their product. I presume Apple will suffer the same fate.

People have been presuming this very loudly for basically Apple's entire lifetime. I'm not saying I think they'll keep going forever, but I really don't think you should hold your breath.

Yes, I did not mean to imply that Apple is or will be on a downward trajectory soon, just that as IBM was once seem infallible and now not, Apple will be too.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by messe »

smoldesu wrote: post #144
cassianoleal wrote: post #122

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> apple not doing much to help in providing support for it (M1) marcan (lead dev of Asahi Linux) seems to disagree: Looks like Apple changed the requirements for Mach-O kernel files in 12.1, breaking our existing installation process... and they *also* added a raw image mode that will never break again and doesn't require Mach-Os. And people said they wouldn't help. This is intended for us. https://twitter.com/marcan…

It's funny how people come out to celebrate in droves when Apple does the bare minimum to not break their own tooling. Another equally likely scenario is that their changes broke internal tooling, and so they added the raw image mode to give Mac engineers a more reliable entry point for prototyping and testing on the new devices. Regardless, when my mail carrier changes their route to get to my house 30 minutes faste…

I think a lot of people are seriously overestimating the amount of work non-apple hardware manufacturers put into linux support, and have also become far too accustomed to 30+ years of IBM PC backwards compatibility.

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Post by threeseed »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #108
threeseed wrote: post #78

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Apple doesn't stop you from installing open source iOS applications. I do it all the time without having to go through the App Store.

How?

The exact same way developers run their own code on devices.

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Post by JimDabell »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #88
ericmay wrote: post #28

Quarter after quarter Tim Cook just mic drops these earnings. Remember all the “Apple is doomed, Tim is a bean counter” comments when Jobs handed over the reigns? Yea. Ok.

What percent of revenue is from iPhone? This is what makes me nervous. They struck absolute gold with the iPhone, what happens if they don't catch the next wave?

The iPhone is a once-in-a-generation product. Virtually no company ever creates a product this successful. Why are you treating that level of success as if it’s the new norm that Apple must repeatedly reach in order to keep up?

What happens if they don’t catch the next wave? In that case, they will still be wildly successful. They’ve already had the iPad, which is the clear winner in the tablet market. They’ve already had the Apple Watch, which is the clear winner in the smartwatch market. They’ve already had the AirPods, which is the clear winner in the earphone market. None of these are the one-in-a-generation products that the iPhone is, yet they are all massive successes that bring in tonnes of money.

Apple will probably never have a hit as big as the iPhone ever again… but that’s perfectly fine and not at all incompatible with massive success and huge profits.

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Post by threeseed »

dwaite wrote: post #120
dijit wrote: post #92

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> > analyze your locally-stored photographs for child photography > Nope. Only the ones on iCloud. Nope. Only the ones your device intends to send to iCloud. They’re already scanned on iCloud, this was on device scanning before upload. Likely it was a requirement for them to add encryption on the files they store and not have the unsealing keys. Sort of a pre-emotive avoidance of certain political conversations.

> They’re already scanned on iCloud They are not. Other file and photo hosting platforms do not encrypt the data, so they are able to scan server-side. The content is encrypted for iCloud, and the encryption keys are not known by the hosting infrastructure. This means as an example that shared iCloud albums could be used as a distribution mechanism for child pornography, operating silently until one of the members' a…

Apple uses AES encryption for iCloud Photos: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Underlying cloud providers that Apple uses e.g. AWS may not have the key but Apple definitely does. And that key could be embedded in a CSAM detection app.

So unless you work for Apple and have definitive proof that they do not have such an app I think we should assume they do.

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Post by threeseed »

avalys wrote: post #89
supernova87a wrote: post #80

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> Those teens can choose between Twitter, Youtube, Discord, iMessage, Signal, Telegram, TikTok, Reddit, Twitch, along with, you know, the rest of the public internet. So you just demonstrated that teens have so much choice. Why are you concerned that they're doing it on an Apple device then, if an iPhone is just the hardware on which all these apps operate, and has nothing to do with what's said within the apps?

Because regardless of which service they choose to use, Apple controls the platform they’re running on in every case. They actually don’t have a meaningful choice in that area. Imagine it was Amazon in this situation. Or Microsoft. Or Google. Or, gasp , Facebook. Where 90% of teens were using a hardware and software platform made by one company. Seems like a problem, right? Imagine how much people would be freaking o…

> Apple controls the platform they’re running on in every case. They actually don’t have a meaningful choice in that area.

Except they do. They can choose to use Android like many non-teens do.

Where all of those apps except for one is available.

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Post by nojito »

thewarrior wrote: post #32
bigtones wrote: post #25

Their huge China derived revenue is an increasing problem for Apple from a company stance perspective. They have to increasingly walk a tightrope between servicing that market, kowtowing to the Chinese government, and upholding the values of a California based US Company.

This is the case for all companies in the world eventually. China will overtake the US economy in the next 5 years.

>China will overtake the US economy in the next 5 years.

Not with their current demographic trends.

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Post by sneak »

bigtones wrote: post #25

Their huge China derived revenue is an increasing problem for Apple from a company stance perspective. They have to increasingly walk a tightrope between servicing that market, kowtowing to the Chinese government, and upholding the values of a California based US Company.

It seems that everyone forgets that approximately 100% of Apple's manufacturing is in China.

There are some scattered final assembly here and there, like screwing together the Mac Pro in Texas, and I think the iPhone production in India is non-trivial, but for all intents and purposes the vast, vast majority of Apple's production happens in China, performed by Chinese nationals, who are themselves subject to Chinese law, in facilities wholly inside of Chinese jurisdiction.

It doesn't matter much if Apple sells a single unit in China, from a "kowtowing to the Chinese government" perspective: China controls Apple fully as without China's consent and permission, Apple cannot produce anything for sale in significant quantity.

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Post by threeseed »

neximo64 wrote: post #26
dewey wrote: post #11

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There were big quality issues in that era too, we just don't remember them so well. Antenna-gate, the PowerBooks that basically barbecued your legs,...

Except they were fixed and fixed quickly. The MobileMe team had a battering session with SJ once.. I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone. If you took out a screenshot of system preferences from OS X tiger or something and compared it to today, see how easy it is to find things on that one. Even with simple things such as the wording of…

> I don't think Steve Jobs would let a 'Your battery is under 10%', 'interruptive' notification stay this long on a phone.

Why not ? He was happy with the giant, interruptive volume overlay for all those years.

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