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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by gorjusborg »

imiric wrote: post #147
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

Are you talking about personal testimonials, or published data?

If it's published data, mind sharing a link?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by vaylian »

imiric wrote: post #147
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

> From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality.

Sources please. That's news to me.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by imiric »

gorjusborg wrote: post #151
imiric wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

Are you talking about personal testimonials, or published data? If it's published data, mind sharing a link?

It was a recent thread here on HN. Let me see if I can find it...

This comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585

Some of these issues could be subjective, and I shouldn't decide based on that single report alone, but it was enough reason to reconsider the purchase, especially since, like I said, I really don't need a new machine.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ohazi »

alufers wrote: post #149
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

Sorry for changing the topic but does anybody know the reason Intel has removed the seep states? It drives me absolutely nuts when I open my bag and feel the heat coming out of it, and my laptop is left with 20% charge.

I believe the push came from Microsoft.

Apple has been able to do "clever" things while asleep, like waking up the wifi chipset periodically to check for email / messages / notifications / updates, so that when you wake up, everything magically feels ready to go instead of feeling like you just woke up from 1984 and have reams of crap to download.

But this only works well because Apple does their own firmware for most of the machine, and seems to do a reasonably good job, despite a few issues. They're careful about only doing things that aren't going to obliterate the battery in a way that would be surprising.

Microsoft is jealous of this functionality and knows they want something like that for Windows. They also know they need to cater to the lowest common denominator with system builders, so they asked Intel to put this kind of capability into their platforms, and to explicitly disable the old modes, so that system builders wouldn't be able to drag their feet. The result is that they've all switched, but the outcomes are generally poor and high variance. Sometimes they're passably okay within Windows, but not always. It'll probably get better, but for now things are crap, especially on Linux.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by neurotrace »

imiric wrote: post #147
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

I've had my laptop for a while now and haven't noticed any build quality issues. It definitely feels nice and light but it seems sturdy enough. I'm not in the habit of dropping my laptop on the ground but I do chuck it on to the bed from time and to time and it doesn't seem any worse for wear.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ohazi »

staindk wrote: post #146
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

FWIW I don't think you should buy a laptop from them just to support them. Just adding to e-waste down the line, and I'm sure they are selling enough units. In the future when you do actually need/want a new laptop of course it would be great to support them then. And advocate for them when a friend asks about what laptop to buy.

Completely agree about e-waste, and as a result, I try to take good care of my laptops and use them for as long as I can (I used my previous one for about a decade, and it's still perfectly usable plugged in / for light tasks).

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by gorjusborg »

jonaustin wrote: post #139
sneak wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The screen is very low-res and the GPU is weak. This is why I don't have one. If you don't care about pixels (seems common in PC-land), this is probably a good thing re: power consumption. I look at text all day, every day, and want it to be high res. It's been high res on my Macs for half a decade, and my XPS is even better. I'll get one of these once they fix the screen.

This 'low-res' comment makes no sense, I'll never go back to 1080p, but 2256x1504 is plenty IMO for text (I live in a CLI all day pretty much).

Especially on a 13" screen. I have an XPS 13 with a 4k screen and I never use it at native resolution undocked because I'd need a magnifying glass to read anything on it.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by sneak »

jonaustin wrote: post #139
sneak wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The screen is very low-res and the GPU is weak. This is why I don't have one. If you don't care about pixels (seems common in PC-land), this is probably a good thing re: power consumption. I look at text all day, every day, and want it to be high res. It's been high res on my Macs for half a decade, and my XPS is even better. I'll get one of these once they fix the screen.

This 'low-res' comment makes no sense, I'll never go back to 1080p, but 2256x1504 is plenty IMO for text (I live in a CLI all day pretty much).

Once you get used to 220+ ppi, it's very difficult to go back.

I even don't like my 218ppi displays that much, they are a little fuzzy compared to my 300+ ppi displays.

It's not a matter of opinion what is "low" or "high" when dealing with integers for resolution. It's evident that you think a low-res (by 2022 market options) display is sufficient. That's fine, but it doesn't make it high res.

There are people who think an analog serial console with 24 lines and 80 columns is sufficient resolution for text. That's not what's being discussed: simply the resolution of the display in the computer. It's low by modern laptop standards.

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