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Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by chihuahua » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:41 AM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #127

champagnois wrote: post #120

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Asian cultures are aware. In China for example, tofu is one of the cheapest possible protein sources (think in terms of a massive pallet of it sold for five dollars) but people are generally aware that it is poisonous in some weird ways that won't kill you. Males are generally urged not to consume it. This could be a knowledge of just the upper class, though. An unspoken suggestion to leave the tofu and soy for the p…

So it's all a big conspiracy of the elite against the masses ?

Pretty much anything is a conspiracy if you ask certain people.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by carlmr » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:45 AM UTC

adamrezich wrote: post #112

seattle_spring wrote: post #87

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Are you really convinced that, from a medical perspective, those are on the same playing field as tobacco?

absolutely. the degree to which amphetamines are pushed on children is insane. I was one such child ~16 years ago. psychiatry in general is a pretty ridiculous field, at least as practiced here in the US. just yesterday I had my every-three-months checkup where I basically tell my psychiatrist everything is still going good, so can I have three more months' prescriptions of the thing you got me dependent on when I wa…

>so can I have three more months' prescriptions of the thing you got me dependent on when I was a teenager, please.

You could try to wean yourself off. Take a bit less every day. Dependencies don't have to last forever.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by chihuahua » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:48 AM UTC

mngnt wrote: post #150

xmprt wrote: post #109

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That tradition hasn't died out yet. There are a ton of common sense things done in many European countries that aren't implemented in the US because of apparent links to "communism."

Could you give some examples? I am from a post communist country and am interested in what could be percieved as communist in the US. My guesses are publi transport and universal health care on the top 2 spots.

Universal health care is probably the best example. Another example is universal maternal leave.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by idnefju » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:50 AM UTC

version_five wrote: post #23

daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

some humans have been drinking animal dairy for so many thousands of years that some ethnicities have evolved to have a lactose breaking down mutation into adulthood

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by boogies » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:52 AM UTC

chihuahua wrote: post #151

simlevesque wrote: post #127

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So it's all a big conspiracy of the elite against the masses ?

Pretty much anything is a conspiracy if you ask certain people.

No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large.

— Mark Twain

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by chihuahua » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:53 AM UTC

fjert wrote: post #76

daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

This kind of worries me wrt to my vaping nicotine habit long term

It's just now coming to your attention that nicotine might be unhealthy?

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by chihuahua » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 7:57 AM UTC

tmule wrote: post #54

The Sackler family pushed opioids onto middle America in a rather spectacular fashion. In any functioning society - including with a death penalty - they’d be contending with the harshest possible penalty. Just not in America.

This makes me think of the Drake meme. Making billions of dollars by selling cannabis (until recently): bad. Making billions of dollars by selling opioids: this is fine.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by zeroesandones » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 8:06 AM UTC

they used all kind of tactics, political wars, gender wars, cultural wars; name them all. Thanks to the mastermind Edward Bernays.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 8:29 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #94

seattle_spring wrote: post #78

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What exactly is the health difference between GMO and non-GMO soy? Any reputable sources you can share?

I don't have sources, sorry, and probably shouldn't have replied because my remark falls under what HN likes to dismiss as anecdotal : I have trouble tolerating soy. Someone I trust suggested to me it might not be soy per se that I have an issue with. It might be GMO soy that is an issue for me. Some years ago, I did look up stats verifying that soy was GMO at a shockingly high percentage. I had no reason to track th…

> I have trouble tolerating soy

Trouble tolerating soy is one of the more common problems with food tolerance.

> Someone I trust suggested to me it might not be soy per se that I have an issue with. It might be GMO soy that is an issue for me.

It's theoretically possible that this could be the case, even though GMO foods are much more extensively tested for general safety than crops developed through means that aren't technically GMO (including ones that produces larger and less predictable genetic changes, like modifying the genetics by mutagenesis), but it's kind of a weird thing to suggest, given how frequently soy is a problem (which has been true longer than GMO soy has been on the market) without some very strong reason to believe it's not just a problem with soy as such.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by frozenport » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 8:31 AM UTC

version_five wrote: post #23

daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

That vaping and nicotine is harmless (just like coffee!) despite seeing the negative effects of nicotine intake on developing fetuses.