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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

gostsamo wrote: post #135
vlkr wrote: post #123

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Maybe, but i think every platform that has a lot of influence or a big audience is a valueable target for propaganda.

Agree, just I'm lacking the evidence. Plus, we might overrate the importance of HN for the CCP. Most of their thought control is for internal use. The external influence is usually based on money and access to the chinese market, not by thrall farms. Exceptions apply to social media, but I think that they concentrate on the large platforms like FB, Twitter and Youtube.

This is almost certainly it. HN is first and foremost a technology website and its userbase is tiny in the grand scheme of things. I get that we like to think we're the center of the universe, but is it so inconceivable that even if the CCP knew we existed, it wouldn't care?

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Post by einpoklum »

coreyisthename wrote: post #58
nobrains wrote: post #56

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

And how woefully undereducated and uninformed - or willfully ignorant (maybe even dumb) - a large percentage of the population is.

I am reminded of this story:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/04/08/less-ameri...

(also here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/0...

)

Most people answering a 2014 poll (hopefully uniformly sampled) could not locate Ukraine on a map of the world, with many placing it in Africa, East Asia, Greenland or even the US; but the more interesting part was that the farther from its actual location was people's guess, the more they were supportive of US military intervention in Ukraine.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dmix »

arcticfox wrote: post #145
somedude895 wrote: post #78

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I only really noticed this when I watched Making a Murderer on Netflix. After each episode my opinion switched between "They were definitely set up by the police" and "They're definitely guilty." If the show had ended after one or the other episode I would have probably firmly held either view. Definitely impacted the trust I put in any media. Or rather the trust in myself to not be manipulated.

I'm also there with you, that was quite the roller coaster and impacted my trust fairly deeply. Although the totality of the evidence made that one pretty clear to me after researching further than the show; I felt like there was some bad faith cherry-picking going on, which is extremely effective on me but only while it lasts. A similar series with all the levers cranked to the maximum is "Killer Ratings" on Netflix…

Another bad Netflix one is “ Under Suspicion: Uncovering the Wesphael Case”. It’s packed full of armchair psychologists and very little factual analysis (and way too long).

In the past one could look at just about every Michael Moore documentary ever.

It seems if you want to push a fringe or poorly supported narrative on something then there is little better format than pop documentaries.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by GuB-42 »

vlkr wrote: post #35

I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

I am not pro-Chinese, I am French with no ties to China. But I have downvoted/flagged anti-China posts and comments a few times.

There is an anti-China sentiment in the US that just feels wrong, and it shows on HN. Every time something good is said about the Chinese state, or even if it is "not that bad", it is Chinese propaganda. Every time someone says that China is evil, it is the truth, as if US propaganda couldn't exist. I am not saying that China is good, just that it is one-sided enough to raise a few red flags (pun not intended).

So, I downvote, most of it isn't interesting from a tech perspective anyways. It what I think of that submission. In fact, I am only here because I was curious about what "deep blue" meant (for me it meant IBM).

You are free to disagree with me, here I am just telling you that there is at least one person who has nothing to do with the Chinese state and dislike anti-China content.

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Post by scrollaway »

jsodw wrote: post #136
vlkr wrote: post #35

I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

I am pro Chinese myself, I’m not getting paid by anybody, and I can assure you that posting pro Chinese comments here gets them flagged pretty quickly. But I’m not sure if it is because people don’t like those opinions or because they think it’s unlikely anybody can be pro Chinese so they automatically think you are a propaganda account. It could very well be either, based on my past experiences posting comments that…

Looking at some of your other comments, which have nothing to do with China, it’s absolutely no wonder you’re getting flagged.

If you present contrarian opinions but on top of that you wrap them in a shit sandwich, I too will flag.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by denton-scratch »

beaconstudios wrote: post #94
krageon wrote: post #81

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I'm talking about Fascism as it is commonly understood: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

yeah me too - from your link: > often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition the first part of that is the defining part of fascism - the state id…

That definition is deficient. Fascism also includes state involvement in private industry.

I dislike the usage of "fascism" to mean "authoritarianism I disapprove of" (I used to use the word that way). It's an unhelpful word, because people use it in so many ways. Now, I only use it to refer to the Italian state under Mussolini. For other uses, I try to say what I mean.

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Post by eitland »

matsemann wrote: post #99
nobrains wrote: post #56

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid. Can't remember the exact situation. But some celebrity, super-hero or whatever got asked by a journalist something ala "why did you say you hate this city?" and they answered "I have never said 'I hate this city'". Then what was aired was the last of that sentence, only the 'I hate this city' part.

Things they told us at boot camp:

It is ok to tell them your name and rank.

Expect everything else to be twisted.

Luckily I have never been tested in such a situation, I guess it will be pretty hard to stick to this in the long run.

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Post by platinumrad »

lucian1900 wrote: post #134
gostsamo wrote: post #88

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Not many, I think. I usually look at the new section of HN and check what has been flagged unreasonably. Anti-chinese post are rarely flagged multiple times. My opinion is that there are honest pro-chinese people on HN, most likely chinese working in the US who don't plan to stay for life and feel patriotic enough to protect the fatherland on internet forums.

And also non-Chinese people that support the PRC, like myself. Many of us are communists, but not all. The trend on HN is indeed quite clearly anti-China and anti-communist, so Chinese propaganda is definitely less successful than that of the US and Western Europe.

I'm not a communist (I'm not an ML(M), to be specific) but I do have a self-destructive compulsion to put up tepid contextual defenses of western adversary states like China, Russia, and Iran. I don't think they're universally wonderful places with perfect benevolent rulers, but the way most people here are completely delusional about these countries, from history to present conditions and motivations, can be frustrating. It's a soft (and sometimes hard) chauvinism which is a little sad coming from a group that likes to think of itself as fair and critical thinkers.

Also the implicit dehumanization ("they have no culture") of the people who live in these places can be really disgusting.

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Post by dmix »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #31

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It's journalism by selective editing. Fairly widespread practice.

Fairly widespread is undercutting it. It's universal practice. People hold journalists to crazy high standards of integrity and soothsaying, and the older I get the more it boggles the mind that grown adults still cling on to this. Journalists work for private corporations who write things for a target audience to make money. That's all there is to it.

Not sure why you put private in front of corporations. You should try watching the political stuff the public networks put out in Canada.

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Post by jsodw »

scrollaway wrote: post #155
jsodw wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro Chinese myself, I’m not getting paid by anybody, and I can assure you that posting pro Chinese comments here gets them flagged pretty quickly. But I’m not sure if it is because people don’t like those opinions or because they think it’s unlikely anybody can be pro Chinese so they automatically think you are a propaganda account. It could very well be either, based on my past experiences posting comments that…

Looking at some of your other comments, which have nothing to do with China, it’s absolutely no wonder you’re getting flagged. If you present contrarian opinions but on top of that you wrap them in a shit sandwich, I too will flag.

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