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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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It definitely does seem possible to me to violate terms of service without any likes or matches. We don't know what was on their profile.

It's against ToS for your profile to include other means to contact you, like other online profiles. That's my guess.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Where's your Tinder bio in this article? I can't imagine creating a new account and publishing something obscene on any social platform today without being flagged or worse.

> but a few days ago I came to a new country That one is the key. Likely some analytics service (Facebook?) has his phone associated with country A (his country of origin), and Tinder sees the registration coming in from country B (new country). That mismatch then triggered some anti-fraud signalling.

the tinder app, like pretty much all apps, is constantly calling graph.facebook.com while in use. Because the app doesn't work without Location access, FB gets a lot of rich location data every time the app is in use, but I don't believe the data being sent back can be utilized for fraud detection.

There's also calls out to crash-analytics, firebase, appsflyer and Google Analytics constantly. The app will function if all these services are blocked.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#153

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

To take it a step further, throw your phone away. I've been digital overseer/fear machine free for almost 2 years now, and can definitively say it's the best decision a person can make for their mental well being.

How do you deal with the dumb crap related to not being connected when everyone else is?

Do you have any records or writings documenting your experience?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#154

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I've never done online dating, met my wife the old-fashioned way, but, it sounds like you're saying the network is making the choice of who should be matched/together, before they get the chance to decide for themselves? If that's true, how anyone thinks that isn't totally fucked is beyond me. I mean, I'm seriously, deeply concerned by this notion more than the usual privacy, data etc that big tech concerns me with,…

It works the same way in old fashioned setups. Barring exceptional knowledge of two peoples’ compatibility, someone looking to introduce two people to each other would propose a setup between two similarly attractive, educated, income/wealth level people. Otherwise, the matchmaker ends up losing reputation and participants trust them less due to higher chances of failure. It works the same way in business relationshi…

While I agree to an extent, the issue I see is that business partners, friends, etc likely know you far better than a site you enter curated information into in order to reach an end goal ever will.

The desirability of your profile aside, it's entirely credibly that any profile you create is a poor representation, many people may not know what it is about themselves that others like.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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> Tinder has an incentive to keep the paid users paid my making sure it is difficult for them to find a match An evil data scientist would put almost exclusively users on your screen who you are interested in but they are not interested in you to boost your spendings and would mix a small portion of good bidirectional matches just to make his purpose less obvious. Fortunately evil data scientists does not exist... I…

They don’t even have to be doing that on purpose, if one just optimizes the revenue per user metric he’s effectively doing the same thing even if not on purpose.

It's ever better if you use some type of AI for this, then no one "knows" that are actually doing that.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Or it's a lack of enforcement/regulation. You really think Tinder is a monopoly? lol

Tinder is owned by Match which is a monopoly, yes. They own every dating site you've heard of.

God damnit you're right. They own Plenty of Fish, OK Cupid, the list goes on.

That sure is a monopoly.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

Will be interesting when they all switch to biometric login.

"Hey Doc, I need a new face."

"Mafia? Witness protection?"

"Tinder."

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Yes, Tinder swiping is bracketed by implied desirable ness of the profile. They even tell you when you're "doing well".

Curious what the algorithm would be to measure "desireableness". Computer vision on the photos (i.e. measure facial symmetry?) plus the number of other people who have expressed interest in you?

I do not think there is any need for trying to figure out how to calculate objective attractiveness. Just use someone’s likes and the value of those likes based on the likes of the person doing the like-ing to infer their relative popularities. Can use frequency and rapidity of messaging as an additional data point also.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#159

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

I don't know what happened in this situation, but generally refunding money for TOS violations is a bad idea. Let me explain why. Imagine that Alice runs a service where you can send people greeting cards. Bob decides he's going to use this service to cause trouble and instead of normal greeting cards, he sends people messages with hate speech, such as their race, their religion, says he hoped they get cancer, and so…

You're not wrong, but you'd better not have false positives.

In particular, it seems likely the author in this case got caught by an algorithmic badness detector or may have violated the TOS in some minor technical way rather than being abusive. I'm counting the latter as a false positive in this case; that's no way to treat a paying customer. People who know what they did don't usually blog about getting banned and post it to HN.

Chargebacks are an effective way to punish companies for this behavior.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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I'm not single and haven't been fora long time, but my understanding is that if you're single you can't really opt out of these apps, practically speaking. Even the norms around dating, picking people up in bars, etc. are changing because of these apps, so it's harder to find people in the real world. Not impossible, obviously, but getting banned from Tinder is kind of a big deal. (Also all these apps are owned by th…

No offense, but bullshit. I've personally never once in my life used a single dating app and have met plenty of dates and love interests the old fashioned way, by interacting with them in the real world after random encounters (bars, events etc) or through circles of friends. Most of the people I know met their own love interests in the same way. I don't live in some backward country with little app use either. What…

I have heard that as well, may it be some underhanded programming?
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