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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

Did the Moonlander take some getting used to with the non-staggered key layout?

Moonlander user here -- sort of, but not really. One of the reasons I bought it was the non-staggered keys, and I'd say it met my expectations. All the keys off the home row just seem a little closer.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Sadly, no dedicated F-row. I would even settle for a subset of keys that aligned with the columns. I do not consider layers an adequate replacement. Happy to see they are moving away from their own software configuration. Not a fan of the software interface on the Freestyle Pro. More than once I have gotten myself into a loop where I am unsure which function mode is activated and how to switch back to what I want. I…

If you haven’t, you really should check out the Moonlander that’s referred to elsewhere in this thread. I switched to it from a Kinesis Advantage 2 and couldn’t be happier.

The Moonlander is also missing F-keys?

People can swear up and down how intuitive and natural layers are, but I do not care. If there is ever a decision to be made between more and fewer keys, I always want to default to more.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

I was pretty hot on getting the Moonlander when it first came out, but I really wanted unlabeled keys. They now offer that, but I'm having a hard time committing to spending the money when I'm so happy with my ErgoDox Ez. Anyone made that switch that can compare/contrast?

I have no experience with the ErgoDox, and loved the Moonlander when I first received it. Over time I've grown to dislike the thumb clusters, they're too far away when tented, making only the inner thumb button easily reachable.

(I'm still using it every day for work, but want to try something else soon, probably a Kyria).

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

I was pretty hot on getting the Moonlander when it first came out, but I really wanted unlabeled keys. They now offer that, but I'm having a hard time committing to spending the money when I'm so happy with my ErgoDox Ez. Anyone made that switch that can compare/contrast?

I also have both and prefer the Moonlander. I like the adjustable thumb keys, integrated wrist supports, and smaller size compared to the Ez. That said, the Ez is a GREAT keyboard.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

I have one, but it's in a drawer now because I was finding it too difficult to switch between it and a normal laptop keyboard. I want a split keyboard that has all the keys in the same places, so muscle memory doesn't need to adapt. I touch type, so the same fingers just need to find the same keys in the same relative positions. Mainlander does not do that, and I can't find the layout or top view zoomable photos for this one :-/

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

Where are you positioning your mouse, even farther out, or in-between the split?

I've been using a Freestyle 2 for a year+ now, 10" split, mouse sits in the middle.

While typing it keeps my arms on the chair's armrests with my hands just extending forward, and the current armrest height keeps my wrists an inch or so above the desk so I don't need to worry about tracking down wrist pads or such.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

I have one, but it's in a drawer now because I was finding it too difficult to switch between it and a normal laptop keyboard. I want a split keyboard that has all the keys in the same places, so muscle memory doesn't need to adapt. I touch type, so the same fingers just need to find the same keys in the same relative positions. Mainlander does not do that, and I can't find the layout or top view zoomable photos for…

Ooooh. Like this https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/freestyle-pro-keyboard/

I want that but curved a bit and tented, without a change in layout.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine you can add an F key layer pretty easily so this shouldn't be a big deal. I found it impossible to touch-type the F-row on my Advantage 2, and it's awesome to be able to move keys closer to your fingers. That being said, I don't see a reason to upgrade. I've ordered replacement key wells so I can install my own switches, and since the Advantage is my desk keyboard I'm not worried about portability.

My concern with this keyboard and others without F keys would be how awkward some IntelliJ keyboard shortcuts would be e.g: LayerX + cmd + shift + 9 to rebuild a file. There are much worse offenders I am sure.

If you're using layers already, it's a small step to just add dedicated keys for those things in a layer. So that becomes LayerX + 9, or LayerX + R (for rebuild), or whatever combination you want.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Semi-related: I've had a basic ergo keyboard (MS sculpt ergonomic) for a while and it's much much better than regular keyboards; However I think all ergo keyboard companies are missing the point those days: "Just-a-keyboard" doesn't cut it anymore in the world of laptops. I want an ergonomic keyboard with a built-in Macbook-class touchpad, or ThinkPad-class trackpoint + three buttons . (I know it's tricky, especially…

How about a pointing device with a built-in keyboard? IMO it sucks but here you go: https://www.keymouse.com/

I'm adding analog thumbsticks (the style you'd find e.g. on a playstation controller) to my split keyboard. I expect them to suck too but maybe 0.5% less than the nipple on thinkpad keyboards. That one keeps tempting me because it's in a convenient positoin but it just drives me mad every time I try to get anything done with it.

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