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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BLKNSLVR » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

yalogin wrote: post #115

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

I used to think but the last few years in the US taught me that people everywhere have the same capacity for zealotry, they may have to be reached/triggered differently that’s all.

My commentary is (intended to be) more about how effectively it's been triggered than any particular group of people's susceptibility to it. The effectiveness of the execution of it.

Plenty of groups of Western folks get super amped up over any threat to the continuity of their chosen self destructive, unhealthy, unsustainable lifestyles to which they've become accustomed. Because freedom!

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by notRobot » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

bildung wrote: post #144

nasmorn wrote: post #128

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The Chinese people will surely not write about the Americans like this. 1984 is banned there.

That's apparently wrong, and your comment thus a wonderful example of what toxik meant.

In-depth view into Chinese censorship: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/why-1984-a...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gambiting » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #122

jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

My guess is that there is not enough staff resources to ensure that all sites are compliant to the GDPR regulations so a blanket block of the EU was the most (only) cost effective solution to mitigate risk.

If they don't have user accounts and no ads then there's literally nothing to do to be GDPR compliant. Literally zero.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by oytis » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

oakfr wrote: post #92

quartz wrote: post #66

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I feel like you've got that backwards: making the site available if it violates GDPR would be violating your rights. Making the site unavailable to you is respecting them. That's not to mention that what's much more likely here is that a student focused and student run campus newspaper in West Lafayette, IN likely just considers the EU out of scope of their audience vs the cost of figuring out if they're GDPR complia…

The “cost” of being GDPR compliant is negligible if you simply put static content on your website and don’t track users.

At quick glance their page does have a login button, which you can't implement on a static site. It also has social network buttons. These are probably all useful features for them and their audience

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by cdot2 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #73

cdot2 wrote: post #51

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They probably just don't want to put a cookie banner on their student newspaper to comply with foreign regulations

Or they could just not track readers with cookies and not collect their private data.

It looks like they use cookies for saving login information.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lnxg33k1 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

jahnu wrote: post #101

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

One of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives. This displays the virtues of our imperfect system better than anything else, imo. Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

I mean I think that is a very simplistic, limited and isolated point of view to address a population, but also very optimistic about the democratic West population capability to logically read situations.

I see tennis players in China being incarcerated for speaking out, I saw recently a video of a guy trying to report about Uyghurs concentration camp, and if I was worried as Americans right now about China (not even Taiwanese are giving as much of a fuck), I am sure I would be aware of more examples.

What I mean is that there are servants in the world, patriotic people that are willing to put 1 kilo of ham slice on their eyes at every press conference, we have people who believe in the second coming of god and people who believe in Q theories, we have accepted the incarceration of people who reported about war crimes in the middle east, we have accepted attacks on women right to abort, we have accepted the killing on our streets of black people and minorities. All this spotlight on NK, China, Russia, is nothing more than a way to keep the people of the west distracted from their own misery, if people of the West were able to solve anything, there are already enough problems that internally need to be taken care of

what kind of example can the west be to the world

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by oauea » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

quartz wrote: post #80

oauea wrote: post #74

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Why would they be fined if they're not violating their readers' privacy?

As someone who has asked that question to a series of lawyers, the answer is surprisingly expensive.

Of course, lawyers exist to make themselves money. Doesn't change that if you don't violate GDPR you won't be fined. A simple blog does not violate it, so they must be doing something creepy.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

jahnu wrote: post #101

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

One of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives. This displays the virtues of our imperfect system better than anything else, imo. Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

>one of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives

I'm far more concerned about tolerating this behavior among ourselves. Politicians always lie and people have been complaining about it as far back as we have written record.

This case involving these students is the same basic fact pattern (but without and abstractions between the victims and the thread of government violence) of the narcing on your neighbors for various minor stuff behavior that is applauded as "being savvy and working the system" behavior in certain demographic circles in the US.

If you don't wanna live in a world where the secret police show up at the door or someone who's kid said some WrongThink don't make us take steps in that direction by making us live in a world where people have to worry about not putting the wrong politician's sign in their yard lest the building inspector showing up and measuring the square footage of their garden shed that can't be seen from the street.

It's not like you wake up one day and have a secret police in an otherwise free society. It's a long slow slide with a lot of intermediate steps where similar behavior under different pretexts and with slight abstractions is normalized until it is so pervasive it doesn't need to be obfuscated and you get an official "secret police" agency

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by stelonix » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #123

thesuitonym wrote: post #98

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We have the same problem in the US. Certain "Freedom loving" sects applaud military intervention, increased police presence, spying on citizens, and the death of any protester, peaceful or otherwise.

US embarrassments, however, have movies made about them, as opposed to burying them as deeply as possible whilst simultaneously threatening every single citizen with, essentially, removal from society, if they speak against the chosen narrative. No country is innocent, some are, however, free (moreso, at least, enough to matter, enough to choose if the need arises).

Those movies are more often than not glorifying such embarrassments, which make them propaganda.

As an analogy for China & the US, you can say one of them is Orwellian while the other is Huxleyan. They're both oppressive, but it's about time to stop pretending only coercion is bad; propaganda is everywhere in american media and it's the same tactic used by autocracies in the 40s: spin everything you do as "us vs them they evil" and dehumanize anything your foes do as "they evil not free genocide". People who say there's a genocide in China with 0 Uygur deaths are the same to dismiss the Iraq war with millions dead; calling it what it was, a genocide, will never even pass by their brains. Double standards.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by C19is20 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #99

Jensson wrote: post #85

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Are the logs permanent? If not then GDPR doesn't cover it. Can you use the logs to identify users and their behaviour? If not GDPR doesn't cover it. If you keep permanent logs with information about users, then yeah that is a problem. But it should be a problem, that is a big potential security/privacy issue.

This is a student run newspaper. They probably don’t employ a dedicated IT professional nor a legal professional to help them understand what GDPR requires of them. It’s easy to say “compliance with GDPR is so easy” when you’ve taken the time to understand what it requires—why should an American student newspaper have to take the time to learn other countries’ laws? Blocking access is easier especially considering th…

"...why should an American student newspaper have to take the time to learn other countries’ laws?".

Students! Learning! (Continents!).