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Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by not2b »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #90
not2b wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misinterpreted that part. It's talking about how cults who believe in weird stuff grow, despite there being no real danger of ultrasonic humidifiers or whatever.

The author is a part of that 'cult': - https://dynomight.net/air/ - https://dynomight.net/humidifiers/ So from context I think that the Hobo-Dyer projection and using bromine are both supposed to be superior to current common approaches, but, like ultrasonic humidifiers, normies don't accept these superior new facts even though the arguments for them are strong and flawless. I still don't get the point of the last tw…

I hadn't realized that.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by zaik »

reducesuffering wrote: post #98

You're the (US) government. You want to prevent deaths from Covid. Research keeps generally concluding that previous Covid infection natural immunity is roughly as good as vaccine induced. You realize if you message this to the public and allow equality to vax-passes, never-vax people will be incentivized to now try and get covid so they can be restriction-less without being vaxxed, further spreading covid. You decid…

Natural immunity might be as good (or even better) than vaccine induced, but comes with a risk of hospitalization or death. If you're cynical, this means lost tax revenue for your government.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by slg »

generalizations wrote: post #96
jfrunyon wrote: post #86

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> At a time when most movements that are thought to be progressive advocate further encroachments on individual liberty LOL okay I literally can't go any further than the first sentence. Very good much wow so projection. I like the document title, though. "Microsoft Word - Document1". Very classy.

Didn't even bother to read the citation for that statement? > This has now been true for over a century, and as early as 1855 J. S. Mill could say (see my John Stuart Mill and Harriet Taylor [London and Chicago, 1951], p. 216) that "almost all the projects of social reformers of these days are really liberticide." > I like the document title, though. "Microsoft Word - Document1". Very classy. Textbook example of an a…

>"almost all the projects of social reformers of these days are really liberticide."

Except sometimes the liberty being killed is my freedom to die at the age of 40 of black lung because I have spent 30 years working in a coal mine just so I could earn enough company scrip to buy enough food from my employer to feed my family.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by satori99 »

xupybd wrote: post #148
satori99 wrote: post #146

Neal Stephenson's latest novel Termination Shock , is largely related to point number two -- Geoengineering the atmosphere using sulfur filled bullets fired from really big guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termination_Shock_(novel)

Does that cause a problem with acid rain?

According the (fictional) Texan billionaire who is championing the project -- not if you can launch it high enough.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by ifdefdebug »

calibas wrote: post #32
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #22

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> The absolute best thing for the Planet would be for every human being to do nothing at all. The planet doesn't care what lives on it or if anything lives at all. There is no best for the planet outside of goals humans set for it. > It's so odd that all our frantic doing is what's thrown the Planet out of balance The planet has never been in balance. And even if we stop anthropogenic climate change something else wi…

FYI, when people are talking about helping "the Planet" they're not talking about lifeless rocks, they're talking about preserving the diversity of life on the Planet. And by balance I mean not precipitating another extinction event. Sure, they're going to happen anyway eventually, but we probably shouldn't cause an extra one if we don't have to...

FYI they're not talking about diversity of life either, they are talking about preserving their own habitat, nothing else.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by joe_the_user »

danblick wrote: post #83

The author presents the idea that "you may be born into a culture with social practices that you don't understand but that work for your benefit; they may work better if you don't understand them!" I find this idea a little repellant, but it's something Friedrich Hayek wrote about too. (In my mind Hayek is the person most associated with distributed knowledge.) ~"You may not understand the forces that have led societ…

Another problem here is that the when society reaches scale of extreme complexity is the point when cultural practice stop being shared. After all, sharing unstated culture is clearly hard than sharing overt culture.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by jayrot »

shkkmo wrote: post #141
EB-Barrington wrote: post #82

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"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky

Preventing transmission != reducing transmission rates. The vaccines absolutely do the later.

This seems to be so hard for some to understand that it smacks of dis-ingenuity.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by mandmandam »

tshaddox wrote: post #143
danblick wrote: post #83

The author presents the idea that "you may be born into a culture with social practices that you don't understand but that work for your benefit; they may work better if you don't understand them!" I find this idea a little repellant, but it's something Friedrich Hayek wrote about too. (In my mind Hayek is the person most associated with distributed knowledge.) ~"You may not understand the forces that have led societ…

This sentiment seems completely useless (actually incredibly dangerous) without at least some attempt at explaining how we might distinguish between aspects of society which seem terrible but are actually secretly good even though no one knows why, and aspects of society which seem terrible because they're terrible.

You're not wrong.

However, the system works "well" for the status quo, and questioning their rule and methods can also be dangerous. You could end up with your name smeared in the media, tortured for years, and imprisoned without a fair trial.. Or chainsawed up. Or sent to prison for trumped up charges. Etc

Honesty is very, very necessary in figuring out how to solve the problems we are facing as a species - but lies are cheap, and power corrupts, and a lot of people just have other shit to do than pick through the mountains of manure to find truth nuggets.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by NavinF »

EB-Barrington wrote: post #82
guidoism wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less about making those people safe and more about making you safe by making those other not spread the disease to you. For example: Go ahead and drive drunk, I don’t care, just do it on your private property so you don’t kill me. Similarly: Go and don’t get vaxed, honestly I don’t care. But viruses don’t respect borders like cars do, so if you are going to do it then make sure you are isolated on a private island wh…

"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky

Hmm did he mean that it doesn’t affect transmission (as in reduce R0) or that it literally can’t prevent transmission (R0 reduced, but still >>0)?

The latter is trivially true. I’m guessing he said it anyway because it was intended for a different audience.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Post by reducesuffering »

xupybd wrote: post #130

As one of the church goers that genuinely believes in God and the afterlife I'm surprised and saddened to hear people attend in disbelief. It's a shame the same community can't be found amongst others that hold similar beliefs. It's sad that someone can't be true to their own beliefs.

> It's sad that someone can't be true to their own beliefs.

Have you considered how strong of a vortex it is to not sway from a close groups' (including your entire family) belief about the most important thing in the entire world?

A spouse could lose their marriage. A child could estrange from their parents and siblings. A pastor that loses faith would lose his job, marriage, and entire community.

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