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Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#151

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For anyone else reading this, when you're negotiating salary information with a company, it is good for you to think about yourself, it's not entitled. You are supposed to advocate for yourself. I'm not sure if the parent comment realizes that the author didn't actually accept the job? It sounds like parent believes she cut off work or something, which isn't at all what the article describes; it describes a pretty st…

Honestly, it's not the looking out for yourself and not wanting to take a lowball offer that makes this come off as entitled to me, it's the idea that they were apparently so offended that they name names about the situation, and post what appear to be chat logs, just for what looks like a fairly benign negotiation fail. It's professional to treat yourself and your time and skills with the respect they deserve and no…

This isn't really a random company. Analogue is a company that is plastered across almost every tech/gaming site I visit right now. I think there is a difference between airing every grievance you have with everyone, and airing a specific grievance you have with a company that is getting a huge amount of coverage, if you are someone who is also reasonably prominent within the community that is being covered by the press and that is being targeted with this hardware release.

Because Endrift also isn't really a random person, she's in charge of some extremely public, fairly lauded emulators in the retro space. Analogue is releasing one of the more anticipated and public hardware projects in that space, and Endrift within that context is talking about their experiences with Analogue the company -- including some reasonably relevant details like that the company asked them to delay a release of an Open Source emulator.

Back when I was in college, people in my department shared what was being offered by companies that came over to job fairs trying to hire us. We talked about the hiring processes, the interview processes, and what their culture was like, because we were all part of a community of people who were going to be interacting with the same companies. Unless it was under NDA we didn't keep a ton of that stuff secret, we wanted the people we were going to class with to know what companies were worth pursuing and what companies weren't. So sure, this doesn't warrant a NYT article, it's not an accusation that means Analogue the company should be burned to the ground or something, but don't you see any value in a prominent voice in the emulation community talking about (on a personal blog) their experiences with a company that is a very public presence within the emulation space?

Some additional context here is possibly warranted that the author didn't share this post to HN, somebody else did. I feel like often with worries about things being "too public", there's a weird phenomenon where communities being open enough that people outside of that community can look in suddenly means that anything posted publicly is expected to be intended for a global audience or planned out as a potentially viral piece. But in the same way that I don't think the negotiation process here is worth as much debate as its seeing in the comments, I also don't think the author reflecting on that experience publicly is weird, at least not given the context of the general news about Analogue happening right now, and at least not given the context that this is the person running mGBA. I certainly don't think it's weird enough that it warrants publicly claiming that the author is lacking empathy.

> even how it's called a "hate story"

Someone else has already mentioned, but this is a reference to a video game title.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#152

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The device supports several different systems, not just the various Game Boy iterations. Compared to original hardware, the promise is that it will have a better screen, a sleep mode, let you play on TV, load ROMs from computer (if you're a developer), etc. Compared to software, the promise is the form factor.

You can easily buy an Anbernic device for less than one hundred dollars if you just want portable emulation, so it's not the form factor. It's specifically for people who are hung up on software emulation vs. FPGA-based emulation.

The FPGAs are neat, and certainly help with power efficiency here, but they're not the primary draw of this system. It's the fact that 100 pixels make each gameboy pixel and serious work was done to use those 100 pixels to look like a convincing recreation of the original screen. That's easily $100 unique.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#153

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Honestly, it's not the looking out for yourself and not wanting to take a lowball offer that makes this come off as entitled to me, it's the idea that they were apparently so offended that they name names about the situation, and post what appear to be chat logs, just for what looks like a fairly benign negotiation fail. It's professional to treat yourself and your time and skills with the respect they deserve and no…

This isn't really a random company. Analogue is a company that is plastered across almost every tech/gaming site I visit right now. I think there is a difference between airing every grievance you have with everyone, and airing a specific grievance you have with a company that is getting a huge amount of coverage, if you are someone who is also reasonably prominent within the community that is being covered by the pr…

> Back when I was in college, people in my department shared what was being offered by companies that came over to job fairs trying to hire us. We talked about the hiring processes, the interview processes, and what their culture was like, because we were all part of a community of people who were going to be interacting with the same companies.

I don't really have a problem with someone saying a company low-balled them. Honestly, the fact that she took screencaps of what appear to be private conversations (where the other side specifically refers to it as a personal conversation) and refers to specific people at that company is where I think it goes from being something equivalent to "that time Analogue tried to hire me but vastly underestimated the cost and my value, so I turned them down" into something else. If the author had written something along those lines, even at length, then I don't think the vast majority would have a problem with that.

Instead what we have is something that seems far more personal, and far more targeted as specific people, but without context as to why that's warranted, and not necessarily shared with some people with like situations, but for the world to see.

> Some additional context here is possibly warranted that the author didn't share this post to HN, somebody else did.

The author posted it online. It wasn't some private conversation (although she doesn't seem to think posting private conversations is worth noting enough to justify from what I can see), but pushed out for the world to see. Google's going to index it, people are going to share it.

> there's a weird phenomenon where communities being open enough that people outside of that community can look in suddenly means that anything posted publicly is expected to be intended for a global audience or planned out as a potentially viral piece.

I think perhaps people show be more careful what they say online in open locations. These are not private conversations. Other people see them. When you say something in an open forum it's the equivalent of carving it into a tree in a public area in the real world. Any expectation that it's private is ludicrous, no matter how many people seem to fall back to that excuse when called out for something they've said. Perhaps people just should act as they would like to be treated in public. The author, by making a private conversation public deserves no consideration that her public post wasn't intended to be seen by the world, in my opinion.

> But in the same way that I don't think the negotiation process here is worth as much debate as its seeing in the comments

I wouldn't think it was really worth doing an expose on either, but the author seems to think it worth while. The negotiation is rather mundane. It's that she decided to air it to the world which I think is the more interesting thing, even if it's interesting in a way that I think doesn't speak well of her.

> this is a reference to a video game title.

I noticed that, and I think that's a bit less objectionable because of it. It's still kind of ick though, and I think speaks to a lack of care regarding the situation.

In case it hasn't come through as obvious, my real objection to the behavior is the airing of private conversations with individuals for no useful reason. That the conversation seems utterly mundane but is presented otherwise makes it worse in my eyes, because there's no obvious reason from the conversation either.

I think I've written enough on this. The only reason I've written what I have so far is because people keep equating her behavior to less objectionable comparisons, but to me it seems clearly different when it's public on the internet, aimed at specific people, and uses screencaps of a private conversation in a way that I think would make most people feel violated if it was put online like that, regardless of whether they said anything objectionable in it.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#154

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Honestly, it's not the looking out for yourself and not wanting to take a lowball offer that makes this come off as entitled to me, it's the idea that they were apparently so offended that they name names about the situation, and post what appear to be chat logs, just for what looks like a fairly benign negotiation fail. It's professional to treat yourself and your time and skills with the respect they deserve and no…

This isn't really a random company. Analogue is a company that is plastered across almost every tech/gaming site I visit right now. I think there is a difference between airing every grievance you have with everyone, and airing a specific grievance you have with a company that is getting a huge amount of coverage, if you are someone who is also reasonably prominent within the community that is being covered by the pr…

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Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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post #145

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Honestly, it's not the looking out for yourself and not wanting to take a lowball offer that makes this come off as entitled to me, it's the idea that they were apparently so offended that they name names about the situation, and post what appear to be chat logs, just for what looks like a fairly benign negotiation fail. It's professional to treat yourself and your time and skills with the respect they deserve and no…

Without weighing in on the rest, I'd quickly note that the name of the post seems mostly to be a reference to an (unrelated) visual novel called "Analogue: A Hate Story".

Which demonstrates poor judgement. The post title is extremely inflammatory whether it's a reference or not.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#156
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Analogue isn't an SV company, so why are you using SV rates?

Specialist knowledge. Hard problem. Company is located in Seattle. Someone capable of doing a good job on this can make FAR more doing something else. $20K is a joke.

And yet someone did it. So either someone took the lowball or they paid up in the end.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#157

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We don't really know what happened here, because as far as I can tell the OP didn't actually engage with anyone to understand what was happening. It seems most likely that the company needed to focus more on one project than another for a little while. That is not the same as stalling something intentionally. It's hard for the company to have empathy if the person didn't elect to communicate their thoughts and feelin…

> We don't really know what happened here First they said it wasn't going to impact the author's open source work. Then they started talking about delaying mGBA development until the product was released. Then they started talking about delaying mGBA development until many months after the product was released.

Terms can change during negotiations, it's not like they changed the terms after an arrangement was agreed to.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#158

This reads like a case of 'all about me'-ism. It sounds like this person negotiated their salary, and then decided the company didn't value them _because_ the company agreed to raise it when asked. If your goal is to have people throw money at you which you don't ask for, you are going to have a tough time working. A company that's willing to double your salary when you point out the offer is low sounds pretty great…

Analogue has a history of being actual dicks and being unliked in the entire emulation industry. Not only are they constantly putting down software emulation (while then crawling to people like endrift to do the work for them, or attacking Near for their work on bsnes), they are now attempting to hold back emulation to make their product more attractive (as reported by endrift). Let's also not forget that they straig…

> There's maybe 10 qualified people on earth to make a cycle-accurate GBA BIOS, and they offer 20k for exclusive work for 10 months ?

Turns out they only needed one, and got it done.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#159

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Yeah, how dare the OP warn us that a fly-by-night company is trying to lowball and screw over engineers. Or that this company has failed to deliver on a project for 2 years because they can't find people willing to accept terrible offers.

Do you really need to be told about every company that could conceivably offer to pay you too little? I've go news for you, you won't be able to read that list as fast as new entries get added. Telling people to value their time and effort is laudable. Lambasting some company or person in public because they offered you less than you were worth is not. If I contacted you in private and offered you $1000 to design a G…

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Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

#160

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Yeah, how dare the OP warn us that a fly-by-night company is trying to lowball and screw over engineers. Or that this company has failed to deliver on a project for 2 years because they can't find people willing to accept terrible offers.

Do you really need to be told about every company that could conceivably offer to pay you too little? I've go news for you, you won't be able to read that list as fast as new entries get added. Telling people to value their time and effort is laudable. Lambasting some company or person in public because they offered you less than you were worth is not. If I contacted you in private and offered you $1000 to design a G…

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