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Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by baybal2 »

Aperocky wrote: post #146
baybal2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure about US warehouses, but somewhere else it will surely will. Any seismic regulation would've probably completely blasted a building where roof is not held in place in tension. In general, remains seem to lack any continuous reinforcement in between panels. Only flimsy fasteners held them together. USA is a land of contradictions, and its building codes are no exception. They write 100 pages sections of…

> zero chances surviving a tornado Most buildings are in this category, and it make sense. This is not where the fault lies. Building something to specifically withstand 200mph wind is NOT reasonable. Hurricanes force wind by comparison starts at 74mph and decays quickly inland.

> Building something to specifically withstand 200mph wind

A properly engineered reinforced concrete building would easily withstand that.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

baybal2 wrote: post #123
coryrc wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point me to a warehouse currently built in the US that would survive this.

I am not sure about US warehouses, but somewhere else it will surely will. Any seismic regulation would've probably completely blasted a building where roof is not held in place in tension. In general, remains seem to lack any continuous reinforcement in between panels. Only flimsy fasteners held them together. USA is a land of contradictions, and its building codes are no exception. They write 100 pages sections of…

Tornadoes can be more powerful than a hurricane. The only structure that would survive them all is a concrete bunker.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by gentleman11 »

kello wrote: post #36

No snarky comments from me. Just RIP and I hope their families are compensated. No compensation will ever bring back those people or extinguish their families anguish but something is better than nothing.

Amazon might use this as a PR opportunity to clean up their image a tiny bit, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the workers just get screwed.

My dad had to go through workers comp once and the process took 7 years and covered only a small percent of his costs - not with Amazon, but with an employer who cared more about their employees and never made anybody go to the bathroom in bottles out of some ruthless abusive system to squeeze more work out of people

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by forrestthewoods »

gerdesj wrote: post #70

"Six Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) workers were confirmed dead on Saturday after a series of tornadoes roared through a warehouse near St Louis, ripping off its roof and causing 11-inch thick concrete walls longer than football fields to collapse on themselves." Horrific. A wall that size cannot possibly survive a big wind. Cannot.

Looking at the photos it seems like a massive building and the tornado just sliced straight through it. I’m not sure what you can do about that that’s reasonable?

A candle factory was completely leveled. Dozens dead. Many still missing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-candle-factory-ha...

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by qbasic_forever »

SECProto wrote: post #114
dylan604 wrote: post #95

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>The fall of TV You mean in your daily in-take of media? Local TV stations are required to broadcast weather. It's actually part of their licensing. So if you're not in the habit of turning on the local station because of crappy programming (like me), then you should at least be willing to find a local station during weather. Even if regular programming is on, they will break in when requested by the NWS. Local radio…

> So if you're not in the habit of turning on the local station because of crappy programming (like me), then you should at least be willing to find a local station during weather. How would I even go about doing that? The only display devices I have are monitors. Even for radio, I would have to go to my car to listen.

Part of living in an area prone to certain disasters is being prepared to deal with them. Get a small weather radio.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by driverdan »

oatz wrote: post #53
sillysaurusx wrote: post #3

I slept through three tornado sirens last night. It was pretty wild. The first one, I thought it was a test. (We have tests every month on the 1st.) But it wasn't until a few minutes in that I realized it was for real. Then apparently I just... went to sleep? That wasn't the smartest decision I've ever made. It went off a couple more times. One strange thing was the realization that I had no idea where to turn for in…

You can use your phone as an FM/AM radio receiver. Tune to your local station.

I downvoted you because very few phones have AM and/or FM receivers. I've never owned a phone with one. None of the most popular phones have had them.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by rootusrootus »

AlbertCory wrote: post #122
gerdesj wrote: post #70

"Six Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) workers were confirmed dead on Saturday after a series of tornadoes roared through a warehouse near St Louis, ripping off its roof and causing 11-inch thick concrete walls longer than football fields to collapse on themselves." Horrific. A wall that size cannot possibly survive a big wind. Cannot.

Question: what was the peak wind speed? Is it more than a hurricane's, or less? The next question is: do they have stricter building codes in Florida, such that this storm wouldn't have knocked down warehouses?

> Question: what was the peak wind speed? Is it more than a hurricane's, or less?

For comparison, a cat 5 hurricane is 157 mph or higher. An EF-5 tornado is 200 mph and up. The highest recorded wind speed is about 300 mph.

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Post by WalterBright »

blamazon wrote: post #91
fosk wrote: post #80

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I wonder why they haven't compartmentalized the wall in such a way that in case of structural failure only individual sections will potentially collapse, not the whole thing.

Look at the photos—the panels that make up the exterior wall are segmented into narrow vertical strips. There’s not much you can do about a direct hit across all the cells.

Compartmentalization doesn't work when the iceberg slices them all open.

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Post by pmorici »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #3

I slept through three tornado sirens last night. It was pretty wild. The first one, I thought it was a test. (We have tests every month on the 1st.) But it wasn't until a few minutes in that I realized it was for real. Then apparently I just... went to sleep? That wasn't the smartest decision I've ever made. It went off a couple more times. One strange thing was the realization that I had no idea where to turn for in…

Buy WX “weather alert” radio Midland makes a bunch of models some that even run off batteries. Basically it is several radio stations run By NOAA to send out local wether and warnings. They are like 20 bucks and most also do AM FM as well.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Post by riversflow »

BeetleB wrote: post #102
genocidicbunny wrote: post #83

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I'm not trying to shame Amazon; Not any more than I would be any other company. If this had been a Walmart or a Target or a Trader Joe's warehouse, I would have said the same. When there's tornadoes about, the first thing companies should tell their workers is 'Find somewhere safe to shelter, don't worry about the job or reducing damage to the company. Just make sure you're safe' (and if located somewhere known for t…

> When there's tornadoes about, the first thing companies should tell their workers is 'Find somewhere safe to shelter, don't worry about the job or reducing damage to the company. I worked in the Midwest for a number of years. Every time there was a tornado siren, an attempt would be made to alert everyone in the building. We were to go to the shelter in the basement and/or 1st floor. Only a minority would actually…

> Did people not go because they were worried about productivity dropping? No!

> So to me, reading people imply that they got killed because of capitalism is ludicrous.

Take a look at people who aren't brainwashed by capitalism if you think this is ludicrous--kids in elementary school. Most of them are happy for emergency drills as they waste class time. They get to chat with their peers and go for a walk instead of sitting in class.

It is adults who have been coerced into caring about the company's/there own productivity who would not want an on-the-clock break, especially, in my experience, in this type of manual-labor-for-a-big-corp situation.

Would you really rather literally mop the floor for Amazon if you could, worry free and on the clock, chill in a room during a tornado warning?

And this isn't some generalized indictment of capitalism, which I personally believe to be highly effective at harnessing the whole of humanity towards social progress, just an observation about the realities of this type of situation.

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