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>do you also have high rates of sleep paralysis? Yes, often toward the end of this near-dreaming state, just before entering deeper sleep. I experience a sensation like entering a free fall and lose the ability to move. It takes quite a lot of energy to climb back out of it and regain the ability to move.

How would you describe your sleep hygiene? Do you sleep the same amount every night? Do you fall asleep at the same time? How much sleep do you get? Are you generally very tired when you lay down to sleep? Just curious as someone who has never had any of these N1 experiences, what might I be missing...

I used to have fairly poor sleep hygiene but am now pretty good about it. I have had this experience in both states. I had night terrors as a child which eventually gave way to curiosity, and I practiced staying self aware while falling asleep. A common trick you can use is to learn to recognize the signs that you are sleeping, for example by checking your phone. Digital screens will have garbled symbols in a dream. You also might notice altered laws of physics, or suddenly remember that you already went to bed and the dream can't be real. After the first few times, your brain learns how to do it and it happens more and more without effort. Then you can stay self aware while falling asleep, and can start to explore the transition states that you otherwise couldn't see.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Yes, tis true, it’s a state called hypnogogia, everyone experiences it. In my personal experience, it’s most easy to dive into a hypnogogic state if you simply attempt to go to bed, i.e. don’t read before bed, spend time on the phone etc. just lie down and let your brain meander.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

IIRC this is the "hypnopompic" state and yeah, it's weird and cool. Personally I have more memories at the other end ("hypnogogic"?) on the transition to waking up.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

I'm kinda jealous. I couldn't be more different. I can't remember the last time I had a dream. Months ago probably. Random question but - do you consume any caffeine?

Hypersensitive to caffeine, so no coffee or pop if I don't mind the incoming insomnia. I may have a cup of weak earl grey every couple of days.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Both Dali and Edison did not have families and children to rise. They were multimillionaries also. If you are also childless and multimillionaire, you can experiment with what essentially a sleep deprivation, having hallutinations that are useful in a work of... genius? Also, in case of Edison, he used an army of assistants to comb through his ideas and patents avaiable at the time to find what is useful. Again, a pr…

You could quite easily use this technique when your child is in bed, before your usual bedtime. It would be an interesting thing to try in the evening when you're stuck on a coding problem.

It's only really useful if you can get to that stage of N1 sleep quite quickly anyway so it wouldn't apply to all people. I don't think it's the domain of childless millionaires.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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When I was younger, often "falling" asleep felt like literally falling. I'd slam my arms down on the bed to "catch" myself, and shoot straight into a panicked awake state until my heart was ready to sleep again. I'd usually have memories just as described, weird combinations of the physical reality of my bedroom with random dream-stuff. I've also felt this on airplanes, not able to fall into any deeper level of sleep…

That is called a hypnic (or hypnagogic) or myoclonic jerk, it's pretty common just before you fall asleep.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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"As legend goes, Edison would sit in a chair when he got sleepy, holding a ball bearing in his left hand. Soon, he would enter the “hypnagogic state,” a stage between wakefulness and sleep where many people claim to have visual and auditory hallucinations." https://cityftmyers.com/1871/Standing-Thomas-Edison#:~:text=... . This technique should work if you can fall asleep without consciously thinking about what is in…

The hypnagogic state sucks. I used to often wake from nightmares during the night and see hundreds of spiders swarming all over my bedroom. I would stand on my bed and try to figure out how to get to the door. I injured myself a couple of times doing Bruce Lee shit trying to jump across furniture without touching the spiders. I would switch the light on and of course there are no spiders there, but my brain is so con…

this recently happened to me for the first time ever and it was surreal and terrifying, except in my situation is was bedbugs, not spiders. Never had it happen before until randomly a few weeks ago when i was feeling stressed about moving into a new apartment in a new city far away. Woke up sweating and was hallucinating that my room was infested. It was horrifying.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Anecdote: I distinctly remember being on the edge of sleep writing a song one night in 2019. I was about to fall asleep on the floor with a notebook in my hand, and just at that moment, the music came into my mind. For whatever reason, I was able to stay awake and flesh it out as a recording. After reflecting on it the next day I realised I had written an acoustic fingerstyle piece that moved across keys as if there…

I read that The XX would intentionally stay up until the wee hours of the morning, and would only start recording once they begun to nod off. Their music sounds so nocturnal and dreamy that I'm sure it must be true.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I’m a visual artist and I guess I use this all the time, although I don’t have any wake-up device. I just lie down for a nap and loosely let my mind wander around whatever I’m trying to work on, or just undirected.

The images just start to come, not like visual hallucinations, but like someone else were imagining things for me, almost.

I guess it’s good I work from home, and not in an office somewhere…

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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It sounds like this study has a series of problems. No control group, no reference measurement, no predefined hypothesis, and it doesn’t seem to mention number of participants, unless I missed it suggesting that it’s a small number.

From this read I doubt it would replicate under stricter experimental conditions and with more rigor.

Edit: Oh and I forgot that the noted effect being equated with creativity is somewhat unreliable. Essentially they where given a math problem that randomly seems to also give an answer you can find in the number itself, but anyone would know that this can’t be relied upon and might lead to errors if you just assume that’s the answer. That is unless your unfocused or just less logical. They could repeat the test and replace the sleep element with getting drunk and they would likely see an effect.

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