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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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What do you mean no moral equivalency? Are you suggesting one is obviously superior than the other? Judging the behaviors in the 21st century, I think China is morally superior to US? Based on the wars invoked by IS, and the poverty elimination done by China. Obviously China improved Chinese citizens living standard dramatically, while US are doing the opposite across the world.

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Not disagreeing with what Thiel is saying here, but it's pretty hypocritical for him to be criticizing here considering he's the co-founder of Palantir, a company that feeds some tasty tasty morsels to the surveillance state and military-industrial complex.

I can’t go into it, but this is a misunderstanding of what Palantir does.

I can't go into it, but ...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

> CSAM

Thinking about this other than things like existing social media, satellites... I've recently seen ads where it's like "get paid to take pictures of your neighborhood". Was wondering about that as a means to export out high res images of locations through an app.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

I totally get that people want companies to act with dignity, but the idea that a company, even one as large as Apple, is going to make any sort of difference with respect to China's oddities is wishful thinking. Apple has a business to run. They abide by all sorts of requests in various countries in which they operate. Of course there has to be a line somewhere, I'm just not sure this is it.

> Apple has a business to run.

"Apple" is not some abstract entity. There are people behind Apple (the shareholders, the managers, the employees). Real people, with real morals and values. I don't think that the only thing all of them care about is "running a business" and that all of them feel it absolves them from acting humanly. It's more complicated than that. (having said that, of course, greed is always strong).

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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What do you mean? China invest heavily in Xinjiang. Xinjiang GDP is 19th on the list https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%... Per capita GDP is similarly ranked. And there are 56 minorities groups in China, they were all have specific aid program, like preferential treatment in national college exams. What's the basis of such a wishwash statement on China and the people? Are you suggesting Chin…

barbed wire and re-education don't count!

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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> Are there people in the US that want factory jobs? The only way to make manufacturing at home competitive with overseas is full-scale automation. It won't create jobs to bring it back onshore - nor should it for exactly the reasons you specify. Instead, it would be a strategic investment.

Except automation can’t change on a dime. It also is bad at all kinds of things… just see Musk’s commentary on why they backed away from so much automation with Model 3 for humans.

Automation works. It's not perfect but it works.

The biggest impediments are political. China will subsidize anything they're not already leading in. To counteract that, you either need tariffs or your own subsidies. But corporations will fight against tariffs (they've already invested in manufacturing in China) and labor unions will fight against subsidies for automation, so here we are.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I assumed it was firstly access to Chinese manufacturing. They can probably still make humongous profits without the Chinese market, but presumably their global sales rely on first manufacturing in China?

Yep, and it's likely that China is the only place they could actually manufacture their products. China isn't the cheapest place to make things anymore, and it hasn't been in a long time - that's been supplanted by Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc. It's even within spitting distance to manufacture in the US. Companies manufacture complex electronics products in China because everyone manufactures there. The skills are there,…

China is the only place they could actually manufacture their products

And yet, the Apple products I bought for my wife this Christmas state "Made in Vietnam" on the box. And other electronics I've purchased for her recently were similarly not made in China.

China hasn't been the "only" place to manufacture tech for several years now. It's an outdated cliché.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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There is no moral equivalency between the US and China. Stop this right away.

What do you mean no moral equivalency? Are you suggesting one is obviously superior than the other? Judging the behaviors in the 21st century, I think China is morally superior to US? Based on the wars invoked by IS, and the poverty elimination done by China. Obviously China improved Chinese citizens living standard dramatically, while US are doing the opposite across the world.

You are based in the US?

Try posting that ‘The US is morally superior to China’ in China, and you are going to spend a lot of time being re-educated as to why that’s not true.

But seriously, I just want to privately practice tennis.

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