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Firefox 95 Released

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Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

Comment regarding usability and layout from a grumpy old fart who dissed them before (in partially most impolite ways):

I'd still like a more compact layout for tabs and address-bar.

At least one can improve the visibility of active tabs vs. inactive with what nowadays counts as color theme. Both for dark and light modes.

So that point of critic is now moot.

Regarding dark mode, more and more sites work with that without fiddling, which didn't in the old 7/8.x ESRs, neither 94.x.

With 95 there were a few pleasant surprises in dark. But that may have to do with the passed time, too. Maybe the sites themselves changed something. Didn't check for that.

Anyways, apart from the still wasted pixels it's very pleasant to use.

/me eats chalk...(but just a little. GIEF MEE BACK MY PIXELS!)

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by MinorTom »

foepys wrote: post #70
cottager2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox. Honestly, some sites are broken, like my brokerage account and Zillow. Having uBlock work at blocking 100% of known-bad requests is worth it to me. Chrome only blocks something like 60% due to the asynchronous nature of the extension API.

> Chrome only blocks something like 60% due to the asynchronous nature of the extension API. Let's not kid ourselves. This is clearly a 100% deliberate design decision, aimed at making content blockers less effective. This has nothing to do with the API being asynchronous. It is just the excuse Google went with.

On my smartphone uBlock Origin adds ~10 seconds in startup delay, which is fairly annoying. Having the Adblock be asynchronous but the browser start a lot faster would be an reasonable trade-off for me.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by dangus »

technobabbler wrote: post #149
dangus wrote: post #147

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All Firefox ads can be turned off. You can very quickly remove Pocket from new tab pages. Meanwhile, Firefox is providing useful features like tab containers and Facebook container that are not replicable in Chrome even with extensions. When you use Chrome you're using a browser made by an advertisement COMPANY . Every time you Google search you are looking at Google ads, and Chrome itself integrates with Google sear…

You know, kudos to Mozilla for trying so hard... but Google is just better at it. shrug . By all means, they can keep fighting that losing battle if they want, but the world has already moved on and forgotten them. Nobody cares anymore except a tiny niche on here and what's left on slashdot. Maybe the ideology of it is really important to you. To me it's just a browser, and not worth fiddling with. Chrome does one th…

Choose whatever browser you want, I just think it's disingenuous for you to claim that Firefox "constantly interrupts."

It absolutely does not do that.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by technobabbler »

dangus wrote: post #153
technobabbler wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, kudos to Mozilla for trying so hard... but Google is just better at it. shrug . By all means, they can keep fighting that losing battle if they want, but the world has already moved on and forgotten them. Nobody cares anymore except a tiny niche on here and what's left on slashdot. Maybe the ideology of it is really important to you. To me it's just a browser, and not worth fiddling with. Chrome does one th…

Choose whatever browser you want, I just think it's disingenuous for you to claim that Firefox "constantly interrupts." It absolutely does not do that.

It absolutely has every time I've launched it in the last 5-10 years.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by dangus »

technobabbler wrote: post #154
dangus wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choose whatever browser you want, I just think it's disingenuous for you to claim that Firefox "constantly interrupts." It absolutely does not do that.

It absolutely has every time I've launched it in the last 5-10 years.

Because you only launch it every once in a while, because it's not your preferred browser. So, every time you launch it it's installing an update.

Having some kind of message when you update is not abnormal.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by lmedinas »

cxr wrote: post #49
ajxs wrote: post #21

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A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

> I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary users though. Safari is both usable for everyday users and is used every day by more than those that use Firefox, which means WebKit is a viable alternative to Blink.

except that Safari doesnt have a decent adblocker like ublock is for me a big issue. Plus Safari 15 must have some kind of a bug or something it drains my battery just like Brave.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by cxr »

lmedinas wrote: post #156
cxr wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary users though. Safari is both usable for everyday users and is used every day by more than those that use Firefox, which means WebKit is a viable alternative to Blink.

except that Safari doesnt have a decent adblocker like ublock is for me a big issue. Plus Safari 15 must have some kind of a bug or something it drains my battery just like Brave.

That's beside the point. I didn't recommend Safari. Safari is a Web browser. The discussion is about alternatives to Blink and Gecko—browser engines, not browsers.

The fact that WebKit is in Safari and Safari is used by millions of ordinary people means that Webkit meets the commenter's criteria and is a viable option as the basis for building a (perhaps yet-to-be conceived) Web browser.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by dbg31415 »

This is the update I've been waiting for since the pandemic started!

It no longer turns my MacBook into a toaster when I'm on a video call. (=

It used to jack the power usage metric up to like 100, now it's more aligned with Chrome or Safari even when I do video calls.

Thanks!

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by technobabbler »

dangus wrote: post #155
technobabbler wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely has every time I've launched it in the last 5-10 years.

Because you only launch it every once in a while, because it's not your preferred browser. So, every time you launch it it's installing an update. Having some kind of message when you update is not abnormal.

> Having some kind of message when you update is not abnormal.

But having new adware every time IS abnormal. When any other modern browser* self-updates, it does so unobtrusively. Maaaaaaaaybe (very rarely) opens a new tab with a changelog -- even that's rare, though. I don't get that issue when I reopen Safari once in a while, despite never using that either.

With Firefox, there's always some new adware being shilled. It decreases trustworthiness a lot. Every time I open it, I can't help but be turned off by wondering what new shady partnership they've joined this time, or what terrible UX change they've decided to unilaterally implement because they have too many designers with time on their hands.

The whole Mozilla operation went from "let's make a really lean and mean engineering powerhouse browser" to "incompetent technocracy with too many people and not enough vision". It's just a mess. The new anti-features they keep adding aren't useful to anyone except maybe their execs... every new release is a desperate, flailing attempt at relevance instead of core improvements. The LAST thing I want is a new browser experience every few months. Just let me check my email and get out of my way, damn it.

*Except maybe Edge? Haven't used that in a while, understand it's gotten pretty intrusive lately too.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by megous »

My desktop doesn't feature dark mode switching, so Firefox since version 95 is in dark mode all the time without any option to change it to light mode anywhere, not even in about:config. Since when is dark mode a reasonable default?
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