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I think you are answering “is it better bandwidth per household”, while I am talking mb/S per dollar and ROI. Where I am 5g is same price as fixed broadband but faster for my plan. Are you paying and using 1g/s have no caps ?
Personally I am yes, but I know that's not the case everywhere. I get that you mean in terms of ROI, but that's ROI for the business, not for you the customer. So I guess what I'm getting at is, why would you suggest the thing that's better for the business but worse for you?
ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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I think we (in Stamford Lincolnshire, UK) must be pretty unique right now with TWO competing FTTP startups both rolling out on the same streets. One day you will see Lightspeed Broadband pulling their fibre through the BT ducts and putting boxes on the top of telegraph polls. The next day Upp Brordband will be on the same street. So bizarre they they are doing the same town! Apparently we are due to have BT put in th…
Very strange! Mine was not quite as happy a story, but here in Silicon Valley (1mi from Facebook) I got a local ISP announcing fiber, and the very next week AT&T was running their own lines. This was back in 2019, and it felt like "everyone" had fiber before we did. 2 years later I guess it feels like old hat. And the local ISP has not yet run the fiber they promised. But one fast ISP is better than zero! Good luck w…
Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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The exact details become confusing and get into some physics details, but in practice radio frequency on a cable is basically an AC voltage that needs special care to not be lost to inductance and other effects. This is of course part of the general trend that DC through gamma radiation are in many ways the same thing. It's common parlance to say "DC component" to refer to any offset from zero in the AC waveform. So,…
The reason for your confusion is that the telephone exchange sends a constant Current, not a constant Voltage. There is 48V, but it's behind a 300+300Ohm relay which limits the current.
All this results in 40-50v being considered a normal on-hook line voltage, but it can vary more in the real world. Of course modern SAIs or RLCs or what have you tend to use solid-state regulators that keep a very tight 48v, so I'm sure the variation is much lower in like modern suburban neighborhoods than it is in cities or with older exchanges.
When off-hook, current starts flowing and the line relays and local loop come into play. The line relays are not tightly standardized and range from say 400-700 ohm, but unless you're pretty close to the exchange the line resistance of the local loop is greater, which can be 1kohm or more. Then the actual telephone instrument has a resistance due to the current it uses for operation, 200 ohm is perhaps average but it varies plenty, I think the WECo phones were usually 180 ohm nominal. Both line resistance and telephone resistance vary widely. A total loop resistance of 2400 ohm could be called a maximum because it allows the phone the 20 mA that's considered a minimum for reliable telephone operation, but lots of equipment will work out of that range, especially since so many newer phones have an independent power supply and digital voice circuit. On older switches, where "older" includes plenty that are still in wide service like 5ESS, the line cards have a couple of jumper options to adjust the relay resistance in order to bring loop current up or down depending on length of the loop. That's mostly because high loop currents due to a short loop can shorten the service life of equipment.
Nothing is really regulated (on older equipment and per specs, newer equipment tends to have voltage regulation as a result of using more advanced transistorized power supplies), neither voltage nor current, and so it can all vary within a fairly wide range. This is surprising from the modern perspective but not so much when you consider that the "standards" here are a hundred years old. Newer switches, RLCs, etc often measure the current on lines and raise trouble alarms when it's too high or low, which does impose certain tighter bounds.
Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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Are you suggesting 70Mbps is slow ADSL? There are many places where not even a tenth of that speed is possible.
I had a chuckle at the 3.5Mbps that the wet string was getting in the article. When I first moved in to this house, I was getting around 3Mbps on ADSL. Thankfully now I'm on 100Mbps fibre (not amazing by global standards, but good by Australian standards). That wet string would have been an upgrade for me.
100Mbps isn't great for fibre. I'm on 100Mbps just on plain old HFC.
Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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Couldn't you send an amplitude modulated signal down a DC line by modulating the voltage but keeping that voltage always above zero? If the current never actually reverses, it wouldn't be AC as I understand it. It would be PDC, pulsed direct current.
> modulating the voltage but keeping that voltage always above zero In signal transmission theory people almost always think in terms of frequency ranges. Any DC component is simply a frequency set to 0 - that can be ignored. Similar to the earth magnetic field when talking about radio transmission in air.
Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
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Very strange! Mine was not quite as happy a story, but here in Silicon Valley (1mi from Facebook) I got a local ISP announcing fiber, and the very next week AT&T was running their own lines. This was back in 2019, and it felt like "everyone" had fiber before we did. 2 years later I guess it feels like old hat. And the local ISP has not yet run the fiber they promised. But one fast ISP is better than zero! Good luck w…
Your incumbent killed the local ISP's project. Fibre customers generally won't change ISPs in the first 2-3 years of having service, so being undercut by the incumbent makes it worthless to continue with the cost of construction when you'll only get a handful of customers. I know because the incumbent has done exactly the same thing to me. A project that planned on having 140 customers can't be supported by 5.
Re: ADSL works over wet string (2017)
#157I remember in the 90s when we were deploying a business campus, we first used ADSL services from the local carrier, but not for long. We discovered we can get "dry lines", basically just rent copper run from site-to-site, nothing on it from local carrier. Slap ADSL modems on each and we got max throughout, at a fraction of the cost. Then we upgraded to SDSL, and that was like hitting the jackpot.
I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. You got an unused copper line and stuck ADSL modems on both ends that talked to each other?