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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by chillacy »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

FAANG senior engineers get in around 350-400k and with recent stock appreciation some are hitting 400-600 depending on tenure and company performance.

Source: levels.fyi

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by fallingknife »

_fat_santa wrote: post #118
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

On the other hand, I would personally find some sanctimonious interviewer asking me to defend my previous employment history from a perceived position of moral superiority a great screening tool for companies I would never want to work for.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by sershe »

Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Anecdotally, just last week I've seen someone I know on senior (IC) level actually amplify their transition to Facebook on LinkedIn ("so happy to have worked in X, so happy to join Y, blah blah"), and another former coworker messaged me about their team in FB that they joined in the past year. Also I get much more Amazon/Google/random startup recruiting than FB, so they don't seem desperate.

I had a couple friends who joined FB 5-7 years ago and reported horrible WLB, so I was avoiding it, but if the trend you are describing is correct (and that person from last week claimed WLB was fine), maybe I should consider it some day.

I think there's nothing really wrong with the company, and I would view a somewhat lower level of "caring about social issues"/"wokeness" per-employee to be a small positive :)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by skinkestek »

civilized wrote: post #19
fullshark wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past de…

> Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004.

I despised Facebook before everyone else but seriously:

Google is extremely well known for killing useful stuff that people love, not for moving them forward incrementally.

I can't remember Facebook killing off anything since parsley or whatever it was called.

Google has also been going backwards since I don't know, 2009 or something? (Back in the day it used to be that search results somewhat reliably contained the the you searched for. Today Google is in my opinion a copy of the competitors they outcompeted: customer hostile ads, poor results.)

Facebook is the ugly thing it has been since I don't know when.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by civilized »

skinkestek wrote: post #154
civilized wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past de…

> Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. I despised Facebook before everyone else but seriously: Google is extremely well known for killing useful stuff that people love, not for moving them forward incrementally. I can't remember Facebook killing off anything sinc…

Google has killed about 5x more things people love than FB has created. But they still keep a lot of core products alive.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by shric »

fallingknife wrote: post #152
_fat_santa wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

On the other hand, I would personally find some sanctimonious interviewer asking me to defend my previous employment history from a perceived position of moral superiority a great screening tool for companies I would never want to work for.

Is it really a screening tool for the company? It more likely just says something about that particular interviewer. It's not like a company has a policy of telling interviewers to scrutinize past job appointments. That can be done by the recruiter if desired.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by skinkestek »

civilized wrote: post #155
skinkestek wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. I despised Facebook before everyone else but seriously: Google is extremely well known for killing useful stuff that people love, not for moving them forward incrementally. I can't remember Facebook killing off anything sinc…

Google has killed about 5x more things people love than FB has created . But they still keep a lot of core products alive.

Ok, I admit you have a good point. I counted the ones I can remember:

- search (although this one barely qualifies in my opinion)

- GMail/GSuite (once provided ever increasing storage, also killed free GSuite etc etc but I'll count it, it exists and has even expanded a bit)

- YouTube

- Ads

- Android

- Chrome

Quite a portfolio actually. Says something about how much I dislike them when I had to think long and hard to admit it.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by foepys »

twobitshifter wrote: post #48
foepys wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody compensating like FAANG does will find new hires. The question is: are they the best?

Competing question: Do you need the best? Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp are built. They have their management systems and structures in place. It would be wrong to think that everyone at Facebook needs to be a genius for the company to succeed, and putting a genius into many of the roles that are needed to keep the company operating won't work out well for either the genius or the company.

Once you switch to maintenance mode, you have already lost. You will always need to innovate and for this you need smart people with good ideas and talent to make it work.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by lordnacho »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

The US healthcare system is a bit special. I tend to think about Europe, since I'm from there. Nurses don't make nearly as much from what I gather.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by Gentil »

_fat_santa wrote: post #118
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

This is a huge possibility. They are already struggling. The reality is I don't see Zuck backtracking on anything. Meta and the new tech coming around it is a good example of it. They are actually looking into doubling down on surveillance and being invasive.So them struggling should be a good point. Or a good thinng IMHO.

They could use AI to tackle this in the future now that we have Copilot of the sorts. It would be interesting to see how the cope up with it.

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