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Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by benmccann »

sxiao wrote: post #140
benmccann wrote: post #107

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> Fixing dev server errors is a little distracting at times You will be very pleased with the upcoming release of Vite 2.7! It's by far the most impactful release of Vite thus far for SvelteKit. All the major known issues we've been tracking have been addressed in the latest Vite 2.7 beta (assuming that one of the PRs we're still working out the kinks of doesn't get rolled back, but either way it'll be a huge improve…

Ben, please don't surprise us and tell that you are the next one on Vercel's payroll.

I'm doing my own thing and won't be joining any existing company ;-)

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by sxiao »

ahevia wrote: post #148
sxiao wrote: post #145

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Not sure if this topic is worth our time to debate. There are millions of ways of subtly controlling/influencing entities. And it's much easier if you pay money, ESOP and pay even more money if future goals and exits come alive.

Wouldn't Vercel benefit from being the defacto platform to deploy Next & SvelteKit apps?

Yes sure and it's not Vercel's fault that there's no other competitor left out there. I would have hired Rich as well if I were Vercel. But the market will suffer because one (and the better) player just left the market. We can only blame Rich who got weak but yeah, nobody is perfect.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by sxiao »

benmccann wrote: post #151
sxiao wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ben, please don't surprise us and tell that you are the next one on Vercel's payroll.

I'm doing my own thing and won't be joining any existing company ;-)

> won't be joining any existing company

Good news and the most underrated and overseen comment in this thread. Nice man!

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by rickstanley »

dceddia wrote: post #65
gnrlst wrote: post #48

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I see your app is MacOS only at the moment. Are you re-writing it in Electron or what? Very curious

Yeah, rewriting it with Electron + Svelte + a Rust backend for the heavy lifting. I looked at alternatives to Electron because I wanted to avoid the bloat, but nothing felt like the right fit. Tauri ( https://tauri.studio/ ) is the most exciting, but I couldn't find a good way to get raw video frames into the UI without a bunch of expensive copies or serialization. I also looked at native toolkits like Qt (I've worke…

> without the benefit of HTML + CSS

Are you referring to ease in complexity of creating components compared to the alternatives? Because I end up with the same choice when sieving frameworks to use crossplatform. But I've been looking nto Flutter recently, although it's still in beta, it has potential.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by emteycz »

sxiao wrote: post #152
ahevia wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Vercel benefit from being the defacto platform to deploy Next & SvelteKit apps?

Yes sure and it's not Vercel's fault that there's no other competitor left out there. I would have hired Rich as well if I were Vercel. But the market will suffer because one (and the better) player just left the market. We can only blame Rich who got weak but yeah, nobody is perfect.

He did not leave the market and on top of that now has financial safety so can work on the project 100%. That's a net gain.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by afavour »

sxiao wrote: post #145
afavour wrote: post #142

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Does Vercel actually “control” Svelte, though? The existing governance structure is untouched, they’re just paying the salary of the lead (and definitely not only) developer.

Not sure if this topic is worth our time to debate. There are millions of ways of subtly controlling/influencing entities. And it's much easier if you pay money, ESOP and pay even more money if future goals and exits come alive.

Even if Vercel came out and said “we’ve bought Rich Harris’s voice, every choice will be controlled by us” (which they haven’t!) they still wouldn’t control the project because Rich isn’t a BDFL.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by brightball »

ravenstine wrote: post #68

Awesome news! Having worked with frontend frameworks for years, I've grown pessimistic about them in general, but I'm enthusiastic about Svelte because it does so many things right that actually avoid a lot of the issues other frameworks claim to solve but actually make worse. Interacting with the Svelte compiler is ridiculously easy. Though the documentation can be improved, I found it trivial to import the Svelte c…

I'm definitely curious about it. I'm one of those "swore off frontend framework" people who's attracted to tools like Phoenix Liveview so I never have to deal with it.

Svelte does look pretty sharp and simple though. I wonder how well it works with something like LiveView? Does it really depend on the styling structure mentioned or can I use it with Tailwind?

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by solarmist »

midrus wrote: post #88

I've been pretty skeptical about SPAs but having tried out Svelte for a few side projects, I have to admin I was probably directing my skepticism to the wrong thing, probably React was the cause of my dislike for SPAs. Svelte looks really awesome and the simplicity it brings back is invaluable. I really wish it takes off, for real. Looks very promising.

What bits were misdirected? What worries did you have?

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by leeoniya »

sxiao wrote: post #152
ahevia wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Vercel benefit from being the defacto platform to deploy Next & SvelteKit apps?

Yes sure and it's not Vercel's fault that there's no other competitor left out there. I would have hired Rich as well if I were Vercel. But the market will suffer because one (and the better) player just left the market. We can only blame Rich who got weak but yeah, nobody is perfect.

> We can only blame Rich who got weak but yeah, nobody is perfect.

this comment. just wow.

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