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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by backoncemore »

voxic11 wrote: post #44
kreeben wrote: post #26

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>> Single files apps no longer extract any core runtime assemblies to temporary directories I might be ignorant here but if you're not specifically pointing out what version DLL's you want, aren't you in fact publishing a dynamically linked executable instead of a statically linked one? Doesn't these single-file apps rely on the GAC?

There is no GAC. > .NET Core and .NET 5 and later versions eliminate the concept of the global assembly cache (GAC)

Interesting. I haven't worked in .NET for several years now, but the GAC was always an absolute headache to deal with.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by tfigment »

kbd wrote: post #118
icey wrote: post #79

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C# is fast and .NET core is cross-platform. It's good for games, web, and mobile development. F# is a great functional programming language. There are fun tools like SignalR (easy websockets), Blazor (write C# and run it in the browser through WASM), and LINQ (built right into the language and allows you to query objects like a database). Toplevel programs should make it easier to experiment with C# if you're interes…

> and LINQ Shudders at memories of coworkers writing giant, ridiculously inefficient LINQ queries without understanding how it's actually using the database and what it's doing server-side > Toplevel programs should make it easier to experiment with C# if you're interested. Definitely interested in that small feature :) If I had extra time I'd like to see what it takes to brew install dotnet and write a simple CLI pr…

True of nearly all ORMs really. LINQ on objects basically makes C# a very nice functional language. Dapper is arguably better for database but then use LINQ in those results is very nice.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by n8cpdx »

orra wrote: post #132
spaetzleesser wrote: post #87

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And the crazy thing is that all these frameworks were basically incompatible variations of the same thing. Since WPF nothing has really gotten better. Just different for no good reason. I will never bet on any new MS desktop development framework anymore . It’s either WPF or preferably web (even Electron) for me.

To be fair to UWP XAML, it's more efficient than WPF. I don't mean because it's written in C++ instead of C#. The render pipeline of WinUI is more efficient. It's really interesting, but unfortunately I can't find the technical blog I was thinking on.

It’s more efficient but much less reliable. Like if you change from light to dark mode, there’s a 20% chance all UWP apps that are open crash.

And as efficient as it is, it still can’t resize windows without flickering. It’s worse than WPF or Win32. And there still aren’t proper APIs for configuring the titlebar area.

I wish they focused on getting their vendor partners to make efficient processors, rather than try to get all windows developers to rebuild software to run on hobbled ARM hardware.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by throw868788 »

mattferderer wrote: post #86
kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

* Runs great on Linux in my experience & others * Great performance - https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&hw=... * Open source - Microsoft has made a lot of missteps but they have came a very long way. The bright side is both how far they've came & the outcomes of the recent missteps. * Very productive toolset imo. I focus mostly on web based tech though. I really like the syntax & type system. *…

I don't think F# is that second class anymore especially if you are developing on Linux/Mac OSX. The more concise language/syntax is a big plus when you don't want the heavy IDE and want to be cross platform. The VS Code plugin for example seems more mature than Omnisharp and while like any other Code plugin less flaky than many of the others.

It seems to be keeping up with the broader .NET ecosystem pretty well I think - (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/whats-new-in-fsharp-6/). In some ways it is ahead of C# as well so I wouldn't say it is behind at all.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by metaltyphoon »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #74
ziml77 wrote: post #46

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I've been waiting for .NET 6 for the past year for the long term support. As much as I wanted to use .NET 5, I figured it would be best to only use LTS releases in production.

I never run anything else than LTS in production. The in-between versions have basically been beta quality since .NET 1-preview.

Crazy how bing.com seem to not care for "beta" software :D

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by mmpdev »

> System.Linq — DistinctBy/UnionBy/IntersectBy/ExceptBy

I'm excited by having these built in. I always found it awkward to need to do: `.GroupBy(item => item.Property).Select(group => group.First())`.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by WorldMaker »

eatonphil wrote: post #144
WorldMaker wrote: post #138

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WebView2: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview... For instance, in WPF applications: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/get...

If it is cross-platform it doesn't seem to be very mature cross-platform: https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645 .

Edge on Linux itself only just exited "beta" status a couple weeks back, so yes Linux support on WebView2 is behind other platforms and still playing catch up. Hopefully should be corrected "any day now". Appreciate the link to the tracking bug.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by vyrotek »

runevault wrote: post #20

Been thinking about switching to Rider (already had the personal license for Jetbrains from wanting CLion for Rust) and figured .NET 6 would be a good time to try making the switch. With how blah VS has been for a while hopefully I'll like the Rider experience better (for both c# and f#) Edit: Though I saw something this morning when I tried to load an f# project I made in VS refused to load even though the new ones…

I'd love to give Rider a try but I need SQL Projects. VSCode and DataStudio both have support for it now so I'm hoping they figure out how to bring it into Rider as well.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by atraac »

wvenable wrote: post #106
kbd wrote: post #93

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> Microsoft has done an amazing amount of work writing and rewriting code to make cross platform open source .NET a real thing. All open licensed and developed in the open. It's fitting you mention all the work Microsoft has done rewriting code. You're talking about .NET itself but I'm talking about the ecosystem, where Microsoft often does take others' projects and release their own version (the Windows package mana…

This reply doesn't really have anything to do with your original comment. If Microsoft is producing a solid language / framework in the open and improving their product such that 3rd party "light-weight" libraries like Nancy are no longer necessary, why is that a bad thing? In my opinion, while other ecosystems have exploded in complexity in recent years, the increasing simplicity and batteries-included nature of .NE…

> If Microsoft is producing a solid language / framework in the open and improving their product such that 3rd party "light-weight" libraries like Nancy are no longer necessary, why is that a bad thing?

Because they are killing community made solutions by reimplementing the same solution and utilizing community's habit of favoring only MS software that they themselves engraved into that community throughout the years, even if original solution was better, thus closing the circle. They essentially kill the community around .NET themselves because instead of supporting projects like Avalonia, they reinvent the wheel(often ineptly) to ride on that 'Microsoft ecosystem' wave. The only exception to that that I know so far has been Polly that they pulled into .NET Core.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by e12e »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #89
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #43

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Does this mean you need one binary per OS so that the runtime matches, or do they do some magic so that one single binary can run on all Oses ?

You create a single binary which has the runtime and dependencies self contained within. You of course have to choose your target platform for this as it makes .exes for Windows, ELFs for Linux, etc. If you want you can still choose to distribute IL DLLs and users then use their already installed dotnet on their machine to run them.

> You of course have to choose your target platform for this (...)

https://github.com/jart/cosmopolitan

(but, yeah, you probably want one version per target, even if hacks are cool)

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